warning, warning, warning....not an ugly post without love....just an observation and from what DCON has posted in this thread and many others...
DCON has said that the Gospel he states says that that no man has any form of personal saving faith....
DCOn states Saving faith is the gift of God, which was and is Jesus Christ's own personal faith.....it is Jesus own personal faith in what he went through that saves a person and grace was God giving us that free gift of Jesus' faith...
This is why DCON will post this verse to support this belief when others quiz him:
2 Tim 2.13
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
and DCON quotes this verse without these verses that go with it:
2 Tim 2.11-12
[SUP]11 [/SUP]It is a trustworthy statement:For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
This is why pages ago DCON told Stephen63 a person could even deny Jesus Christ and still be saved....because it is not the deniers perosnal faith that saves him, but the gift of Faith from God, which Jesus' own perosnal faith, which saves you....This is why he also says that OT saints were saved the same way we are...because saving faith is not perosnal and to be exercised on a perosnal basis unto perosnal belief, but it is a gift from God, and it is Jesus' own personal faith that saves you...
giving that consideration, it would be a no brainer than to speak as he does that Cain was a work for it guy who had faith in his own works...it is a no brainer then to go on and on that no matter what you do, even deny Jesus and you will be OK...because Jesus faith has to complete what it started....
He cites Peter, yet fails to see Peter was under the Old Covenant ,when he denied Jesus...the New covenant enforces that if you deny him he will deny us....Just as Jesus said through Paul above in 2 Tim 2.12 and also himself in Matt 10.33-
[SUP]33 [/SUP]But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
If it was all Jesus faith then he never had to die.....This theology was taught in many seminaries decades ago....and in some it still is....this theology disregards the Old Covenant....and places personal saving faith solely on Jesus....and for me, this disregards Bible truth, that God has given every man a measure of perosnal saving faith...and most importantly that Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of God...
DCON has said that the Gospel he states says that that no man has any form of personal saving faith....
DCOn states Saving faith is the gift of God, which was and is Jesus Christ's own personal faith.....it is Jesus own personal faith in what he went through that saves a person and grace was God giving us that free gift of Jesus' faith...
This is why DCON will post this verse to support this belief when others quiz him:
2 Tim 2.13
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
and DCON quotes this verse without these verses that go with it:
2 Tim 2.11-12
[SUP]11 [/SUP]It is a trustworthy statement:For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
This is why pages ago DCON told Stephen63 a person could even deny Jesus Christ and still be saved....because it is not the deniers perosnal faith that saves him, but the gift of Faith from God, which Jesus' own perosnal faith, which saves you....This is why he also says that OT saints were saved the same way we are...because saving faith is not perosnal and to be exercised on a perosnal basis unto perosnal belief, but it is a gift from God, and it is Jesus' own personal faith that saves you...
giving that consideration, it would be a no brainer than to speak as he does that Cain was a work for it guy who had faith in his own works...it is a no brainer then to go on and on that no matter what you do, even deny Jesus and you will be OK...because Jesus faith has to complete what it started....
He cites Peter, yet fails to see Peter was under the Old Covenant ,when he denied Jesus...the New covenant enforces that if you deny him he will deny us....Just as Jesus said through Paul above in 2 Tim 2.12 and also himself in Matt 10.33-
[SUP]33 [/SUP]But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
If it was all Jesus faith then he never had to die.....This theology was taught in many seminaries decades ago....and in some it still is....this theology disregards the Old Covenant....and places personal saving faith solely on Jesus....and for me, this disregards Bible truth, that God has given every man a measure of perosnal saving faith...and most importantly that Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of God...