Not By Works

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eternally-gratefull

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I said this. All I am saying by taking steps, is that the steps he took ,were a walk of faith, belief and obedience and not works. We walk by faith not by sight.
They were works though. Works of faith.

And if his justification was based on those works. Then he was justified by works, not faith.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I want to reiterate for a few naysayers that are rejecting that a works based salvation is being pushed by some.....ANYONE who teaches a losable salvation that must be maintained, kept or facilitated by what one does teaches a works based salvation and in so doing, ignores, rejects and sweeps under the table the promises of God....

a. Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us
b. Jesus saves us to the uttermost
c. Jesus keeps us by the power of God
d. Jesus holds us in his hand
e. We are in the Father's hand
f. We are sealed unto the day of redemption
g. We are born of incorruptible seed
h. We are a child by birth
I. Jesus will lose nothing, but rather raise it up the last day
J. Jesus said he will never leave us or forsake us
k. Nothing shall separate us from the love of God
l. Eternal means eternal when applied unto the life Given in Christ
m. Everlasting means everlasting when applied unto life and what God does
n. We are saved, justified and sanctified in Christ forever
o. We are not condemned because of belief into Jesus

etc.....

Amen, it does not matter if a person denies that they teach works, or whether they come out and admit they teach works. If they teach any of these, they teach works period.
 
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The GIFs are very ANNOYING, therefore, You must be a Charismatic? They are famous for IGNORING what is annoying to other people, and totally IGNORE this verse:

1 Corinthians 14:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue. {Or use ten thousand GIFs.}

Could it be you do not know how to teach with words,
so you post the GIFs you are addicted to?

How is annoying others an act of Christian LOVE?
I am not charismatic.
If you don't like them, please put me on ignore and your problem is solved. Okay?
 

BillG

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well not at all.

this post amounts to a slur

nothing to congratulate anyone on at all

you might do well to remember that the 'they' you refer to, are Christians

you do believe we are saved even though we do not agree with you, right?

why is it, that you and others are so constant in your twisting of what those who disagree with your stance state?

you know, you didn't write the Bible...nor did anyone else here...and it seems there is plenty of room for discussion, but that does not seem valid for some

in order to make a point, some kind of 'dig' has to be taken or mockery

and so many join in

it's becoming a testimony it seems. maybe you should stop it.
Hi seasrekeyed.

With regards to your quote about twisting I think and see it from opposing sides and not just one side.
I suppose it happens because we all have our own interpretation of what we believe scripture is saying.
Not sure I would call it twisting as such but trying to explain our position.

I must admit that I do hate "they, those, others" being banded about.

There are people on here who I disagree with but I still consider them a brother/sister in Christ and I would hope it's reversed.

To me it's ok to disagree and to do so as brothers and sisters in Christ and not as enemies.

At the end of the day we will all stand before Jesus and he alone will judge every aspect of our life and works.
Those who have placed genuine faith in Jesus will have their works judged.
The dross is burned but they are still saved.

The works that we do I think are based on our understing of scripture and this wall direct our walk with Jesus and others.
If they are dross as said they are burnt but we are still saved.
 

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You see, TT, many are called, but few are chosen.

Many people know the gospel is true, you know, like the demons know the gospel is true. They've heard the voice of the Holy Spirit telling them and convincing them in their heart that it's true. This is the calling of God. But they don't then place their trust, their believing in what the Holy Spirit has shown them to be true. They aren't chosen on the basis of faith because they don't respond to the calling with trusting/believing. Instead they take false comfort in simply knowing the gospel is true, as if that is what saves a person. Not knowing that it is trusting in the gospel that is credited to them as righteousness, not simply being told that it's true by the Holy Spirit.
We should be trusting in Jesus for our righteousness, not the gospel, wouldn't you agree. I believe you love Jesus and have faith to save, so if you want to add works, trusting the gospel, as a credit to your righteousness go right a head if it makes you feel good. Like Jonah said in his prayer to God, Jonah ch.2, "Salvation is of the Lord" what role did Jonah play when God saved his soul, none, zero, it was all of God. You should stop making things so difficult for everyone, God has made being born again easy enough for a child to understand not difficult, Saved by grace.......
Not By Works :)
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Hi seasrekeyed.

With regards to your quote about twisting I think and see it from opposing sides and not just one side.
I suppose it happens because we all have our own interpretation of what we believe scripture is saying.
Not sure I would call it twisting as such but trying to explain our position.

I must admit that I do hate "they, those, others" being banded about.

There are people on here who I disagree with but I still consider them a brother/sister in Christ and I would hope it's reversed.

To me it's ok to disagree and to do so as brothers and sisters in Christ and not as enemies.

At the end of the day we will all stand before Jesus and he alone will judge every aspect of our life and works.
Those who have placed genuine faith in Jesus will have their works judged.
The dross is burned but they are still saved.

The works that we do I think are based on our understing of scripture and this wall direct our walk with Jesus and others.
If they are dross as said they are burnt but we are still saved.

see, I'm not even worried about the 'works' part of the equation because the works are really simple displays of our faith

like what? just being kind to another person...giving of time and whatever God lays on your heart to give with regards to 'things' including money, feeding the poor etc...really just what is mentioned in scripture. a changed heart should display these things. I have never said you are not saved if you do not display these things...it is the other side of this debate actually that will go on and on about it as though someone has said works save...I have to say again, I have not seen that in this thread (albeit I have not read every post for the obvious reasons LOL!) but I do believe some will say you have to work but scripture does not say that.

what it does say though, is that faith produces works which is why we seem to have two opposing things going on when really we do not.

again, with your comment re works and understanding...I think scripture is plain it all begins with the simple things anyone can do and it's not difficult and I have never said it adds to salvation or keeps salvation yet I keep reading posts that state someone, including myself, has said this

I concur with your post in the 'spirit' in which you posted

however, I have read posts wherein someone will state another is not saved because of a difference of understanding and I have never said this but yet those who do, really need to own up to it and stop it along with the arrogance as though someone they disagree with is stupid or contemptable

I disagree about the twisting. there are a few who seem to go out of their way to turn what someone said, into something else

and they cause most of the fights. however it seems more are using the 'ignore' option in an effort to keep the peace
 
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It seems you both are saying Abraham was justified for his personal faith and personal belief. I think you guys may just disagree about which event righteousness was imputed/credited to him based on his personal faith and personal belief.
PeterJens doesn't believe in the imputed righteousness of Christ. He is still seeking to establish his own righteousness by works.
 
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If God is the only one to make us christians, you are putting an awful lot of effort in to
persuade us of this, because surely that means choice and human will in involved.

If not you would not even be arguing the point. Which by its nature shows you are wrong.
God brings to us new life, but we must choose to follow and walk in it.

The rich young ruler was keen to follow God with the security of money, but when that fell
away, not a chance.

And if God alone brings us into the Kingdom, those here who are not in the kingdom cannot
be brought in, their fate is sealed. It is actually pointless sharing, because only the chosen
will hear and understand.

But God gives us a choice and encourages, empowers and fills us through the experience.
That is the power of God at work in man, Amen.
 
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PeterJens doesn't believe in the imputed righteousness of Christ. He is still seeking to establish his own righteousness by works.
Lol. How can I be establishing my own righteousness, when I am washed clean and made
perfect in the blood of the lamb. I do not have to establish it, God has given it to me.

I am counted righteous by my faith and walk with Him.
Please show me where scripture says I am wrong. I know I am not because it is this idea
that they preach. But you cannot accept you are pure and Holy, clean, washed by the Lord.

You think that works, Jesus's works have to justify you. But works never have been our justification,
it is being in the Kingdom that justifies us, bought with a price. Our worship to God is our works, the
display of what God has made us. In part I am a mystic, but not like the gnostics who split people,
but as a work in progress, a redemption of the carnal self into a child of God through walking with the
Lord.
 
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Peter...can you explain to all of us your view on biblical salvation.....such as how it is obtained, if it is eternal, can be lost, must be maintained or earned etc....simple, short sweet statements...???