Not By Works

[preacher4truth]

Well I think you could make more of an effort to say things kindly, and from your heart. You seem to do nothing in that sense of speaking.

I've said things from my heart. Why do I say this? Out of the heart the mouth speaks. And as a shepherd has a staff to ward off the wolves, the wolves never like the staff, and call it unkind.

What if you decided you are going to try and put things a nicer way, bury the hatchet with those you deem yourself to be fighting against, and not come out with your wild condemnations? I mean if you say no to such a thing, and continue being the way you are, is that just sinning out of compulsive behaviour even though you 'do not love sin, want to sin, or look for excuses to'?

Wild condemnations? You're tripping.

Any condemnation of others actions from myself were founded, such as the lies and false teachings, the condemning of others as lost, saying the cross is not enough, security in Christ is an idol, that the imputed righteousness of Christ is a neat little trick that does not work, all things propagated by PeterJens upon others in this thread.

Can you give an example of good works you have done on this thread? Or do works only count when you are outside of the thread?

Yep: Philippians 1:7; Philippians 1:16; Jude 1:3. Defending the Gospel from the false teachers in this thread.

Well I would like to see this evidence in you, I think it would be a good thing.

No, you don't really want to see it, that's what I believe. If you did want to, you'd have already witnessed it.

 

[BillG]

"I am the banana of life" just doesn't have the same ring to it

What about banana bread.?

 

[TruthTalk]

Why are a lot of people saying God is Love but leave out the weightier truths about God, just sayin', you have a half of a gospel and not the whole, Kumbaya

 

[joefizz]

Why are a lot of people saying God is Love but leave out the weightier truths about God, just sayin', you have a half of a gospel and not the whole, Kumbaya

Because it's "easier" to support love than to acknowledge one's sins.

 

[PeterJens]

Quote: PeterJens
"If Christ had backed off" we would not be here. In His sacrifice we now have life and a hope
a future and salvation."

After Jesus of Nazareth was baptize by John, He went in to the wilderness for 40 day's and 40 Night's, (Proving that He did not eat both day and Night); and then to be tempted by the devil and thereby secure His Credentials as the Messiah as foretold by Prophets of old.

And to ask the question; what if Jesus failed His wilderness experience that was commissioned by God and the Holy Spirit, and then Jesus turns rock's into bread because He became hungry, well that is a very foolish thing to question, because for one Jesus is God and you diminish who he is just by insinuating that God could fail, foolish thought.

If Christ had, "Backed off" is a foolish notion with long term harmful effects.

TT - so my friend, you do not understand why Jesus shared the choice before Him.
Peter was rebuked for saying He was not going to die.

Jesus asked His friends to stay with Him in the garden, to empathise with the pain and
trouble this was all going to be. The gospel writer describes him thus

Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”


39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
40 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Couldn’t you men keep watch with me for one hour?” he asked Peter. 41 “Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
42 He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”
Matt 26:39-42

To die for us was a choice, it cost Jesus the most, a place He did not want to go.
In knowing this price and this struggle, we know even in God, love drove Him on.
It was not easy, or simple, or inevitable.

If you knew communion and empathy you would know how important it is to feel
anothers struggles to get an understanding of the balance in their life.
God wants us to know and understand His heart.

So when you say this is "foolish thought" that you are calling God foolish.

That is neither wise nor mature.

 

[loveme1]

Now I will retreat for a while.

what scripture to share....

John 6

26Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. 27Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.



The people asked what works of GOD they should do... the Messiah taught them to Believe... this is the work of GOD.. so it all starts with Believing.. that we all agree on.


Glory to Heavenly Father and our Messiah always and forever.

 

[TruthTalk]

[video=youtube;cPN3Fv2aJhE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPN3Fv2aJhE[/video]

 

[dcontroversal]

I had a very old Pastor, near his retirement, that I looked up to as a Spiritual Grandfather.

He used simple expressions to convey deep spiritual Truths when advising me how to Witness.

"You catch more flies with Honey than you do Vinegar."

"Keep it simple stupid, you were going clean over his head."

ETC.

I heard a man say that once....I told him we are not catching flies.....and ALL the men inspired said at one time or another very hard things directed at both believers and unbelievers alike......the truth cuts hard and pierces to the very inner being and core of a man or woman and is a judge of the thoughts and intents of the heart.....

Remember the one message JESUS preached.....70 men who had been bragging and boasting about the devils being subject to them in his name got offended, said who can bear this and walked away peeved with their feelings hurt.....sometimes the bare naked truth with no coddling needs to be leveled at certain individuals if but for the shock value to make them open their blind eyes like an alarm clock at 4 am on high........

 

[Muzungu256]

You talk like a testimony is something of self and shame. God bless you, because to me
these words speak about your lostness and lack of truth in your heart than anything else.

u are really laying it on thick today. u just done told this mon God bless you but in the next sentence say he has lack of truth in his heart and is lost????? how righteous art thou. u knew all that thru a computer screen? wow
sekkluud mon this thread is getting crazier by the minute!!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

This is the truth of your position. You put too much on Christ and too little on yourself.
You do not really believe in being broken before the cross and laying your sins and
burdens at the foot of the cross, I do. I know the unbelievable cost for Christ to walk
this path and it humbles me to tears every time it strikes home. For I was a lost sinner,
and He desired to call me to His glorious Kingdom.

Now He knew I would respond, but was that why He called and I responded, all I know
is I did. And each step was a deeper step into His fellowship.

Now He makes me loving, humble, pure and Holy, not by covering me, but by changing
me through everything He sends me to do.

And assurance in Christ is founded on all this reality and experience. I am not resting
in words or a theory, but in who He is and what He has done.

Now can anyone who sees and knows this truth walk away? If they are insane, or into
self persecution maybe, but not otherwise. Jesus asked His Father if there was another
way, but bowed to what had to be. So the price is always hard, but the alternative is
much worse.

If Christ had backed off we would not be here. In His sacrifice we now have life and a hope
a future and salvation.

The bolded has got to be one of the biggest cake taking statements you have made......yeah...let me lift myself up and bring Jesus down a bit......wow....this really proves and states a lot about your character.....!

 

[blue_ladybug]

I like honey AND vinegar.. just not combined.. lol

 

[preacher4truth]

The bolded has got to be one of the biggest cake taking statements you have made......yeah...let me lift myself up and bring Jesus down a bit......wow....this really proves and states a lot about your character.....!

It's no longer unbelievable. He most certainly preaches a works gospel.

And doing it, he wants to bring Christ a little lower.

Imagine that: "Let's take some exaltation away from Christ and His Work, and place some emphasis on, well, me."

Doesn't that attitude sound all too familiar?

 

[dcontroversal]

I want to put this out there to counter the lies being propagated by others upon those who believe in the imputed righteousness of Christ, eternal security, and that all stages of salvation are already complete in us who are trusting in Christ alone, though these are not yet realized fully, i.e. glorification.

1) We do not believe that since we trust Christ we do nothing as we are falsely accused.

2) We do not love sin, want to sin, or look to find an excuse to sin, as we are falsely accused.

3) We do not shun good works nor do we believe them not to be a part of a true converts walk, as falsely accused as if we do no good works whatsoever. We simply know they add nothing nor gain a thing in our salvation.

4) We do believe in evidence of conversion that stems from sanctification.

AMEN as we have always stated......the only people who falsely accuse us are those who believe they have to work for it, those who push a sinless perfectionist false dogma and or those who teach it is not eternal.........

 

[GumptiousDude]

What is meant by works?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Doing works for sole benefit of gaining and/ or keeping salvation. It's futile because our salvation is NOT contingent upon doing works to keep ourselves saved..

What is meant by works?

 

[GumptiousDude]

Doing works for sole benefit of gaining and/ or keeping salvation. It's futile because our salvation is NOT contingent upon doing works to keep ourselves saved..

Ok, but isn't that the motivation of born again Christians? To avoid eternal damnation?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Works don't determine whether we go to hell or not. If you are saved, then you will go to heaven. If you sincerely repent your sins, you go to heaven..

Ok, but isn't that the motivation of born again Christians? To avoid eternal damnation?

 

[joefizz]

Ok, but isn't that the motivation of born again Christians? To avoid eternal damnation?

not exactly as it is written "fear God for only he can destroy both body and soul" so really the motivation should be to do right by God,but it isn't our works of doing right that saves us,it is accepting Jesus as saviour and asking God humbly and sincerely to save one's soul that saves one's soul.

 

[GumptiousDude]

What if someone is a piece of you know what their entire life then says oops I'm sorry God on their deathbed?

 

[preacher4truth]

What if someone is a piece of you know what their entire life then says oops I'm sorry God on their deathbed?

Like the thief on the cross?