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joefizz

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NUDITY. Understand?


You illustrate the problem well. You think your willful sin is covered by Christ. If you persist in it and refuse to repent you will most certainly be lost on the Day of Wrath, not saved as you expect.

If you want to believe that God will always succeed in bringing the believer who is condemning himself by what he is presently willfully doing back to repentance then that is your choice. But you are gambling on something the Bible does not defend.
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That is your "lone belief" if you wanna believe that God/Jesus is a liar and will turn his back on you just as soon as you commit a sin that is your "personal battle" I for one know not to try to right every wrong in the world myself,and accept that I am not worthy of Jesus's grace and salvation just like everyone else.
 
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preacher4truth said:
PHart you have to remember 2 Timothy 2:14-26. Especially verses 20-26.
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Thank you for the passage. It's why I have made a personal choice to not talk to unbelievers anymore. It's not my gift. That's why I'm frustrated with this forum and have requested my account be closed. Too many people demonstrating to me by their defense of willful sin that they are not genuine believers. Whether they really are or not is not my call. What I'm doing is not considering them to be believers until I see some honest contrition. That doesn't mean I hate them. It means I don't trust them as I would a believer.
 
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PHart said:
What is amazing is how many Christians defend watching stuff like this. I can understand the struggle with sin. What I don't get is willfully indulging sin and then defending it. That's where the line has to be drawn.
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You're correct on this for sure.
 
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PHart said:
Which is why I have made a personal choice to not talk to unbelievers anymore. It's not my gift. That's why I'm frustrated with this forum and have requested my account be closed. Too many people demonstrating to me by their defense of willful sin that they are not genuine believers. Whether they really are or not is not my call. What I'm doing is not considering them to be believers until I see some honest contrition. That doesn't mean I hate them. It means I don't trust them as I would a believer.
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Jeremiah 12:5.
 
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joefizz said:
That is your "lone belief" if you wanna believe that God/Jesus is a liar and will turn his back on you just as soon as you commit a sin that is your "personal battle" I for one know not to try to right every wrong in the world myself,and accept that I am not worthy of Jesus's grace and salvation just like everyone else.
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You talk a good talk about the grace of God, but if you really believed it you'd turn from willful sin.

Talking up the grace of God (a.k.a. lip service) isn't going to cause God to give you a nod on your willful sin. Don't be deceived.
 
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PHart said:
It means I don't trust them as I would a believer.
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What do you think would have happened if Jesus had this attitude with Judas Iscariot?

It is not my place to judge people on how the life their lives...
 
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Jeremiah 12:5.
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Yep.
'Taint my calling. I prefer to talk to Christians. That's where I function in the body of Christ. As Paul says, you gotta soberly assess your gift and not go beyond what you've been gifted to do.
 
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What do you think would have happened if Jesus had this attitude with Judas Iscariot?
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Jesus said to treat the person in the church who does not respond to correction as an unbeliever. Did you know this? Few do.


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It is not my place to judge people on how the life their lives...
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Calling sin sin is not judging people.
 
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PHart said:
Just can't do it, I see. Can't admit purposely watching naked people is a sin. Meanwhile, someone saying it is sin is the one who is sinning. But I get it. That is where the church is at this present time in end times history.
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And just where have I said that it's not wrong,any viewing of nudity willfully is wrong,wow what did that accomplish?
I actually am no longer watching pornography and glad for it,but I still watch anime from time to time,and yeah no brainer some have nudity,but beating one self up every day doesn't help us grow in spirit,you must "give your problem over to God" because if you try fixing things yourself you end up in a mess,only through Jesus do we have the power to withstand sin and turn from it,but remorse is key,if you willfully sin and have no remorse then you do wrong by God not just yourself,but understand that life for God/Jesus is not about "worrying ourselves to death about sin" it's about "holding fast to God/Jesus and trusting that he will guide us through even sin to do right.
 
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Yep.
'Taint my calling. I prefer to talk to Christians. That's where I function in the body of Christ. As Paul says, you gotta soberly assess your gift and not go beyond what you've been gifted to do.
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You still have areas to grow in, correct? You should meditate on the first half of Hebrews 12:14.
 
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Yep.
'Taint my calling. I prefer to talk to Christians. That's where I function in the body of Christ. As Paul says, you gotta soberly assess your gift and not go beyond what you've been gifted to do.
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Jesus said feed my sheep, not fight my sheep.

By condemning and labelling people as Christian or not is not giving you a stronger case.

John said we should pray for our fallen brothers and sisters in Christ for them to turn back to God.
 
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And just where have I said that it's not wrong,any viewing of nudity willfully is wrong,wow what did that accomplish?
I actually am no longer watching pornography and glad for it,but I still watch anime from time to time,and yeah no brainer some have nudity,but beating one self up every day doesn't help us grow in spirit,you must "give your problem over to God" because if you try fixing things yourself you end up in a mess,only through Jesus do we have the power to withstand sin and turn from it,but remorse is key,if you willfully sin and have no remorse then you do wrong by God not just yourself,but understand that life for God/Jesus is not about "worrying ourselves to death about sin" it's about "holding fast to God/Jesus and trusting that he will guide us through even sin to do right.
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You do not turn your sin over to God by purposely continuing in it. You shut the computer or TV OFF, then you pray through and lean hard on him.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Jesus said feed my sheep, not fight my sheep.

By condemning and labelling people as Christian or not is not giving you a stronger case.

John said we should pray for our fallen brothers and sisters in Christ for them to turn back to God.
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Not labeling them not Christian...considering them not to be Christian. If we did not do that then it would be impossible to beware of the wolves among the sheep.
 
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joefizz said:
And just where have I said that it's not wrong,any viewing of nudity willfully is wrong,wow what did that accomplish?
I actually am no longer watching pornography and glad for it,but I still watch anime from time to time,and yeah no brainer some have nudity,but beating one self up every day doesn't help us grow in spirit,you must "give your problem over to God" because if you try fixing things yourself you end up in a mess,only through Jesus do we have the power to withstand sin and turn from it,but remorse is key,if you willfully sin and have no remorse then you do wrong by God not just yourself,but understand that life for God/Jesus is not about "worrying ourselves to death about sin" it's about "holding fast to God/Jesus and trusting that he will guide us through even sin to do right.
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It's good to see you admit there are areas you need to grow in. As with all of us. 2 Peter 3:18.
 
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preacher4truth said:
You still have areas to grow in, correct? You should meditate on the first half of Hebrews 12:14.
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Of course I do. That's why I like to talk to the church. I can relate to them. I want to build up the body of Christ. Unbelievers, on the other hand, do not listen and simply resist you to the bloody end and make excuses for their sin and love to play the 'what about you?' card. There are those with the spiritual gift of bringing them into the body of Christ. I'm not one of them. That's why I no longer talk to unbelievers.
 
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PHart said:
You talk a good talk about the grace of God, but if you really believed it you'd turn from willful sin.

Talking up the grace of God (a.k.a. lip service) isn't going to cause God to give you a nod on your willful sin. Don't be deceived.
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I am not deceived just as I saw through peter's ruse,I see through yours,you profess to be a christian yet condemn your fellowman,seeking for your fellowman to fall,and profess a loseable salvation,yet this is not true for it makes Jesus a liar,and you claim we are not christians yet you can't fathom what that entails,it's not all ceremonies kid,it's about "Being humble with God/Jesus" and doing our best for him despite our sins and unworthiness,this is what you cannot accept for you seek our repentance but the word stings you,for so long as you judge us,you think you can't be judged,that is pure folly,there is no sin that man,woman,or child that can be hidden from God that he will not make known to all,you can keep this "game"going or you can be "real" with God/Jesus,it's an easy thing to point fingers at others while not realizing that fingers point back to you as well.
 
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Pt4,

I guess all my posts disappear when my account gets closed, so it would be great if you could post the IMDB parents guide link for GoT for all to see after I depart. Like you, I did not know how bad the show was until I read an article about Christians watching it by Piper.

I think a lot of 'Christians' think it's okay to watch it because it's socially embraced and it's not obvious to all what's actually in it. But once it gets exposed to the light it's pretty obvious that it should produce shame in the child of God who watches it.
 
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joefizz said:
I am not deceived just as I saw through peter's ruse,I see through yours,you profess to be a christian yet condemn your fellowman,seeking for your fellowman to fall,and profess a loseable salvation,yet this is not true for it makes Jesus a liar,and you claim we are not christians yet you can't fathom what that entails,it's not all ceremonies kid,it's about "Being humble with God/Jesus" and doing our best for him despite our sins and unworthiness,this is what you cannot accept for you seek our repentance but the word stings you,for so long as you judge us,you think you can't be judged,that is pure folly,there is no sin that man,woman,or child that can be hidden from God that he will not make known to all,you can keep this "game"going or you can be "real" with God/Jesus,it's an easy thing to point fingers at others while not realizing that fingers point back to you as well.
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Like I say.....I hate talking to unbelievers. You have all the signs that make me 'consider' you an unbeliever (playing the 'judging' card, etc.). Whether or not you actually are is between you and God. But for me I have no choice but to 'consider' you an unbeliever by how you respond to truth.
 
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preacher4truth said:
It's good to see you admit there are areas you need to grow in. As with all of us. 2 Peter 3:18.
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Actually I thought this was self evident,if you pridefully think you don't need to grow in Christ by striving to do right then it's foolish,everyone can grow spiritually and learn more anytime.
 
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Like I say.....I hate talking to unbelievers. You have all the signs that make me 'consider' you an unbeliever (playing the 'judging' card, etc.). Whether or not you actually are is between you and God. But for me I have no choice but to 'consider' you an unbeliever by how you respond to truth.
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You have a conflict spirit in you and what I know from them is they are either atheists or on their way there.

Your Christian buddies in church are going to disappoint you at some stage and usually this is when they start blaming God.

Psa 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in theson of man, in whom there is no help.
 
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