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No, the only thing that is BIZZZZZARRRRR, is your response to me.
What I pointed out, is the most common Ordinances of Man that man thinks it is okey to ignore, when their is Not a Cop in your rear view mirror. GOD says it is sins, it is ALL SIN.
1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
Romans 3:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] All have turned away; all alike have become useless. There is no one who does what is good, not even one.
1 John 1:7-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say, “We have no sin,” we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say, “We don’t have any sin,” we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
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.Please i need information on the upcoming international ministries conference in the united state of America this year 2018,I wish to attend please ....if anyone has the right link where i can be connected kindly reach at .... [email protected]
Thanks and waiting to hear from you.
Mr.Eze martin.
Good day ..
.Please i need information on the upcoming international ministries conference in the united state of America this year 2018,I wish to attend please ....if anyone has the right link where i can be connected kindly reach at .... [email protected]
Thanks and waiting to hear from you.
Mr.Eze martin.
.Please i need information on the upcoming international ministries conference in the united state of America this year 2018,I wish to attend please ....if anyone has the right link where i can be connected kindly reach at .... [email protected]
Thanks and waiting to hear from you.
Mr.Eze martin.
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And then they insist that's not called a license to sin.
I'm not sure that point is being pushed here. I know it is being heard, that's for sure. But I don't think there is anyone here who has said works are the required payment for salvation. Not one.
What is being said is works show whether you have eternal life in you or not. (Which is why I can not consider several who post here as having eternal life in them based on how they consistently mistreat me and others.) And so in that way works determine if you are saved or not. That message falls on deaf ears in the church today. This thread is proof of that. Once saved always saved teaching made it so the church can not hear that message. And I mean exactly that. They literally can not process the argument in their minds. That's how powerful the deception is right now in the church.
There is.
The person who is living in their old life as a matter of lifestyle is not born again. Whether they lost their salvation or never had it to begin with is meaningless since the simple fact exists that they do not now have eternal life for it to even matter. And works matter only to salvation to the extent they show one to have eternal life already and are ready to meet Jesus when he returns.
There's your line.
Works do matter. Just not the way most people in the church can only understand them to matter.
I'm not sure that point is being pushed here. I know it is being heard, that's for sure. But I don't think there is anyone here who has said works are the required payment for salvation. Not one.
What is being said is works show whether you have eternal life in you or not. (Which is why I can not consider several who post here as having eternal life in them based on how they consistently mistreat me and others.) And so in that way works determine if you are saved or not. That message falls on deaf ears in the church today. This thread is proof of that. Once saved always saved teaching made it so the church can not hear that message. And I mean exactly that. They literally can not process the argument in their minds. That's how powerful the deception is right now in the church.
There is.
The person who is living in their old life as a matter of lifestyle is not born again. Whether they lost their salvation or never had it to begin with is meaningless since the simple fact exists that they do not now have eternal life for it to even matter. And works matter only to salvation to the extent they show one to have eternal life already and are ready to meet Jesus when he returns.
There's your line.
Works do matter. Just not the way most people in the church can only understand them to matter.
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well yes it does matter
if they are not born again
they are not saved
if a muslim or someone else without faith in Jesus
repented of every sin
they are still going go hell without His imputed righteousness
it doesnt matter if they get a new life daily
if you are born again
you will be covered by Him
you are part of His family
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was just as much for you as david
and anyone who doesnt understand what it means to be born of God
if they are not born again
they are not saved
if a muslim or someone else without faith in Jesus
repented of every sin
they are still going go hell without His imputed righteousness
it doesnt matter if they get a new life daily
if you are born again
you will be covered by Him
you are part of His family
______
post #52025
was just as much for you as david
and anyone who doesnt understand what it means to be born of God
Whomever teaches that doesn't know what they're talking about.
Of course, mention works and you're said to be preaching a "works gospel." Many see the mere mention of evidence of conversion as works, conflating the two. At least one on here is adamant there is no evidence of conversion, yet the same isn't sound in doctrine nor does the person understand the Biblical Gospel.
The Gospel has been turned into a say a prayer and you're in no matter what trick. Easy as pie.
And just think, the person can live how they want, too. God doesn't mind as long as the person was sincere about wanting to go to heaven when they die, whatever happens with how the person lives in between doesn't mean squat.
To give an illustration of just how bad it is, I know of a few people who were cast out of a Baptist church for believing in evidence of conversion as per Scripture. In fact a member called the police on them because the "pastor" was yelling at them, not vice versa, so they all walked out graciously and quietly while being called "works salvationists." Many members were upset that pastor did this, stood with those whom he screamed at, yet remained in this "church."
Of course, mention works and you're said to be preaching a "works gospel." Many see the mere mention of evidence of conversion as works, conflating the two. At least one on here is adamant there is no evidence of conversion, yet the same isn't sound in doctrine nor does the person understand the Biblical Gospel.
The Gospel has been turned into a say a prayer and you're in no matter what trick. Easy as pie.
And just think, the person can live how they want, too. God doesn't mind as long as the person was sincere about wanting to go to heaven when they die, whatever happens with how the person lives in between doesn't mean squat.
To give an illustration of just how bad it is, I know of a few people who were cast out of a Baptist church for believing in evidence of conversion as per Scripture. In fact a member called the police on them because the "pastor" was yelling at them, not vice versa, so they all walked out graciously and quietly while being called "works salvationists." Many members were upset that pastor did this, stood with those whom he screamed at, yet remained in this "church."
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i dont wanna be a liar or else ill have to regain my salvation
And you can only lose your salvation if you being a liar, or a fornicator, or a thief, or a hater, or whatever shows that you do not trust in Christ anymore. That is when you can lose your salvation. And you will not be allowed to get it back.
For most people though, I'm guessing their unrepentant bad behavior shows they never were saved to begin with. That part of traditional once saved always saved doctrine I agree with.
Utter nonsense. Scripture says nothing of the latter and you're adding to the word, which is no real surprise.
Living in any of the aforementioned sins shows the person doesn't possess eternal life. It shows they've never been converted.
Does this include persons who continually lie about others, what they believe, &c?
Living in any of the aforementioned sins shows the person doesn't possess eternal life. It shows they've never been converted.
Does this include persons who continually lie about others, what they believe, &c?
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ohhhh realllyyyyyy?
I believe, as traditional once saved always doctrine does, that the person who is not changed is not born again. The part I resist is the part that says once you are saved you will always be saved. That may be true for 4th kind of soil believers in Jesus' parable of the sower, but it surely is not for 2nd kind of soil believers.
You are saved and not going back to the world when you grow to that point.