Not By Works

[NoNameMcgee]

be fruitful as a result, so you can be saved when he returns.

you think fruits save

nope

it is imputed righteousness

from Jesus

 

[stonesoffire]

OK,but what I am getting at here is that I am seeing in the broadbrushing that it seems there is no such thing as a victorious on fire believer walking in holiness,vs a shipwrecked believer walking in sin and condemnation.

Just look a the opposition to the verses that describe those that have departed.
Look at what it takes in this thread to get basic bible concepts acknowledged.

Any such notion brings attacking. It is vicious in here. Why is that???? and get this,,,,it is the "grace" folks

Those that have come into rest, laying down self works of trying to please what has been preached "an angry god" and picked up His has His life to offer one who is devoid of life. In wisdom.

 

[Ralph-]

That is absolutely wrong. He already knows who are His by the BLOOD - not their deeds!

I wonder, I seriously do, what kind of cult you belong to. Your theology is so messed up, it boggles the mind.

No kidding. He knows all. But he chooses to acquit or condemn based upon evidence. He himself said so. That's not a works gospel. But because you are not being taught what he said you will have a hard time bucking the distorted teaching you have been fed. That's why it's 'aberrant' to you. It's outside of your established beliefs. I know. Been there, done that.

 

[Budman]

You are proving my point. You have not heard Jesus' teaching from Matthew 25 so it is aberrant to you. And you're not being told it in the church because it can only be seen by the church as a works gospel. But I showed you it is not that at all. Works show if we are branches connected to Christ or not. Only the fruitful branches get to stay in the vine. Dead ones go into the fire. They show they are not 'in him'.

You can't accept the fact that once a person is saved, nothing we do, or not do, can separate us from God, nothing in all creation (Romans 8:31-39). Because salvation is based entirely on Jesus, and not on us in any way.

 

[Budman]

No kidding. He knows all. But he chooses to acquit or condemn based upon evidence.

The only evidence required is the blood - period.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

The only evidence required is the blood - period.

yup

of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ

given freely as a gift by grace through faith to whosoever believes in HIM

 

[Ralph-]

You can't accept the fact that once a person is saved, nothing we do, or not do, can separate us from God, nothing in all creation (Romans 8:31-39). Because salvation is based entirely on Jesus, and not on us in any way.

What does that have to do with needing to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back?

 

[Ralph-]

The only evidence required is the blood - period.

The presence of the blood is signified by being a new creation growing up into the image of Christ looking like him more and more. No new nature means no salvation by the blood occurred.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

The presence of the blood is signified by being a new creation growing up into the image of Christ looking like him more and more. No new nature means no salvation by the blood occurred.

thing is while YOU only look to works

HE looks for what makes a new creature....

geez

open your eyes

maybe they are open but you are just blind forever

this is heartbreaking how you cant see the truth


Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


1 John 5:4-12
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.




1 Peter 1:23
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:




please God

reveal to this user who calls themself "ralph" to see the truth

 

[NoNameMcgee]

thing is while YOU only look to works

HE looks for what makes a new creature....

geez

open your eyes

maybe they are open but you are just blind forever

this is heartbreaking how you cant see the truth


Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


1 John 5:4-12
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.




1 Peter 1:23
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:




please God

reveal to this user who calls themself "ralph" to see the truth

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

 

[PennEd]

Looks like I owe you an apology.
It does seem that you were correct.

So I apologise

No worries brother. Pure hearts like yours wants to see the best in people. That's a GOOD thing.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Dear sister in the Lord,

Our leaders are called to be examples of a good christian walk.
Are you denying this?

Are you suggesting to even suggest there is such a thing a righteousness and holiness,
living above reproach is something no-one needs to do, let alone the leadership is evil?

So the church you wish to follow is spiritually and morally bankcrupt, before one has
even begun.

Jesus says this about the fate of such churches and leadership

You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
Matthew 5:13

Worse still you are putting me as being evil, to bring the word of the Lord
in this issue. God help you before the King of Kings.

Calm down, you're jibber-jabbering. All I have is The Blood of The Lamb and his righteousness.

 

[PennEd]

Is this Meggido again?

I believe Magenta said he was Popeye, a former member. I did't see him correct her so I'm assuming that is true.

 

[oldethennew]

yes, Faith without 'works' is dead, but Ralph, you aren't really saying that 'works' save us are you???

 

[stonesoffire]

Just saw this song on another forum. Could be a theme song for this one.

[video=youtube;G_vGszR1OMs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_vGszR1OMs&sns=em[/video]

 

[stonesoffire]

I believe Magenta said he was Popeye, a former member. I did't see him correct her so I'm assuming that is true.

Saw that too. I didn't know he was banned.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I don't think Popeye got banned, under his original nick. I don't remember who he returned as. Or if his new nick got banned...

Saw that too. I didn't know he was banned.

 

[Locutus]

Welcome. Back. Again. Move a lot, yes? UK, USA, Canada? Wow!

Looks to me like Pete the Chaptist is back:

The aim appears to be to echo back in love, that yes love works, appropriateness and righteousness is everything.

Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; 3 not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. 4 And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.
1 Peter 5:2-4

Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers--not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, promised.


Any organisation is lead by its leaders who set the example by their standard of life.


Humbleness, meekness, appropriateness, love, care, support, patience, kindness, self control,
endurance, perseverance, fellowship, sharing, teaching, sacrifice, faith, prayer, giving, receiving,
listening, gentleness, purity, service.

For Pete's sake..

 

[Ralph-]

yes, Faith without 'works' is dead, but Ralph, you aren't really saying that 'works' save us are you???

Correct. I'm not saying works save us. Only faith in the forgiveness of God saves. Our works show if we possess that forgiveness by faith.

“For this reason I say to you, her sins, which are many, have been forgiven, for she loved much; but he who is forgiven little, loves little.” 48Then He said to her, “Your sins have been forgiven.”
50And He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”-Luke 7:47-48,50

 

[Ralph-]

you think fruits save

No, fruits do not save. I plainly said that.

The fruit of the Spirit shows that we have his life in us and will be saved, not cut out and burned in the fire.

We are attached to the life of the vine by faith-Romans 11:20. We produce fruit because we are attached to the life of the vine-John 15:4.

Apart from him we can not bear fruit. Jesus said so. That's why fruit bearing is the evidence of having the life of the vine, Christ, in us.