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It is NOT that we obey that will be judged, it is WHY WE OBEY. IF IT IS NOT OUT OF GOD'S LOVE THAT HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT PUT IN OUR HEARTS, THE MOMENT WE WERE SAVED, YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN, AND YOU CANNOT SAVE YOURSELF.
Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
John 14:24 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who doesn’t love Me will not keep My words. The word that you hear is not Mine but is from the Father who sent Me.
1 John 3:14 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers.
The one who does not love remains in death.
1 John 3:17 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋
—how can God’s love reside in him?
1 John 4:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Dear friends, let us love one another, because love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
EVERY VERSE IS TALKING ABOUT THE GODLY LOVE THAT HE PUT IN US. NO Godly LOVE, you are not SAVED, and never have been.
Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
John 14:24 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who doesn’t love Me will not keep My words. The word that you hear is not Mine but is from the Father who sent Me.
1 John 3:14 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers.
The one who does not love remains in death.
1 John 3:17 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋
—how can God’s love reside in him?
1 John 4:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Dear friends, let us love one another, because love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
EVERY VERSE IS TALKING ABOUT THE GODLY LOVE THAT HE PUT IN US. NO Godly LOVE, you are not SAVED, and never have been.
Your first paragraph is exactly why the Lord does not save people and justify people just because they say they believe. He wants to see them grow and develope and make sure they have no pride before he announces that his grace is sufficient and you are sanctified and finally justified to come into my Kingdom.
Just like you must prove your members before they can have a ministry, God proves us before He announces we are saved.
Thank you for that insight into your church. Good model to follow.
Just like you must prove your members before they can have a ministry, God proves us before He announces we are saved.
Thank you for that insight into your church. Good model to follow.
Greeting dcontroversal,
Let me humbly put a simple point to you, that you may have missed.
God is judgmental. The lake of fire is judgmental. Judgment is judgmental.
The problem is not the judgments but who is judging. We stand before the
King of Kings, condemned and found guilty, our hearts found unclean and
impure, in need of change, forgiveness and cleansing.
Jesus said of the pharisees they were full of greed and envy. He said they
needed to clean their hearts, but where very good at cleaning how they appeared.
So my friend if you are calling Gods judgment crap, you are lost and condemned.
No matter how great your realization of faith and promises, and all the theology
you grew up with, unless you bow the knee before Him, the Lord of Lords and
accept His forgiveness and cleansing, there is nothing else. I know how false
man can be, and how difficult the things of the heart are, but Christ brings freedom,
real freedom, real eternity into mortal souls, like a new day has dawned and everything
is fresh. Until one wakes and sees this in ones heart, it is always a mystery, like groping
in the dark, with condemnation and failure dogging every step.
I walked this path for many years, and did not know a way through. For as long as I live
Gods judgment is right and true. My soul and life will rest in Him, the Lord of all, my Savior.
Now my friend, I have shared nothing more than what is in scripture, yet you react like it
is toxic. This speaks of the state of your heart and not my sharing. I wish I could help you
more, but until you find this place of forgiveness and cleansing you will always feel these
pangs of condemnation that exist because you refuse to resolve that which you know you
need to resolve.
In Jesus and the cross, what is holding you back? Praise God He resolves our needs.
Dear Lord Jesus, come tonight to meet with those who seek you, to resolve those sins,
hurts, anguish, which block them and stop them from walking in your ways and finding
your peace and rest. Please dear Lord help them see your forgiveness and cleansing is
there if they will only reach out and claim it in faith, In Jesus's Name, Amen
Grace and peace to you, may you find the overflowing love, forgiveness and cleansing
of our Lord Jesus Christ, the savior of the world
Let me humbly put a simple point to you, that you may have missed.
God is judgmental. The lake of fire is judgmental. Judgment is judgmental.
The problem is not the judgments but who is judging. We stand before the
King of Kings, condemned and found guilty, our hearts found unclean and
impure, in need of change, forgiveness and cleansing.
Jesus said of the pharisees they were full of greed and envy. He said they
needed to clean their hearts, but where very good at cleaning how they appeared.
So my friend if you are calling Gods judgment crap, you are lost and condemned.
No matter how great your realization of faith and promises, and all the theology
you grew up with, unless you bow the knee before Him, the Lord of Lords and
accept His forgiveness and cleansing, there is nothing else. I know how false
man can be, and how difficult the things of the heart are, but Christ brings freedom,
real freedom, real eternity into mortal souls, like a new day has dawned and everything
is fresh. Until one wakes and sees this in ones heart, it is always a mystery, like groping
in the dark, with condemnation and failure dogging every step.
I walked this path for many years, and did not know a way through. For as long as I live
Gods judgment is right and true. My soul and life will rest in Him, the Lord of all, my Savior.
Now my friend, I have shared nothing more than what is in scripture, yet you react like it
is toxic. This speaks of the state of your heart and not my sharing. I wish I could help you
more, but until you find this place of forgiveness and cleansing you will always feel these
pangs of condemnation that exist because you refuse to resolve that which you know you
need to resolve.
In Jesus and the cross, what is holding you back? Praise God He resolves our needs.
Dear Lord Jesus, come tonight to meet with those who seek you, to resolve those sins,
hurts, anguish, which block them and stop them from walking in your ways and finding
your peace and rest. Please dear Lord help them see your forgiveness and cleansing is
there if they will only reach out and claim it in faith, In Jesus's Name, Amen
Grace and peace to you, may you find the overflowing love, forgiveness and cleansing
of our Lord Jesus Christ, the savior of the world
Let us look at the test John said about how you test the spirits.
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
1 John 4:2-3
The Holy Spirit in my heart testifies to me Jesus Christ came in the flesh,
lived and died upon the cross, rising again and ascended into heaven.
He leads me into Gods word, like it a jewel encrusted treasure box, with
wisdom and truth pouring out of every verse, and tells me how to exalt
God, how to sing praise to God in the Spirit, how to bring words of life to
my brothers and sisters in Christ, how to love and serve those I meet.
Now please show me that these are not the gifts of the Spirit, and not the
fruit of Jesus's work in my heart. I am happy to learn from you, if you can
walk in the light with me and know the fellowship of Christ, to become one
with Him in mind and heart. So please brother, let us share fellowship together
and encourage one another with songs of praise to our Lord and Savior.
[video=youtube;K-0EgzOWkvc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-0EgzOWkvc[/video]
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
1 John 4:2-3
The Holy Spirit in my heart testifies to me Jesus Christ came in the flesh,
lived and died upon the cross, rising again and ascended into heaven.
He leads me into Gods word, like it a jewel encrusted treasure box, with
wisdom and truth pouring out of every verse, and tells me how to exalt
God, how to sing praise to God in the Spirit, how to bring words of life to
my brothers and sisters in Christ, how to love and serve those I meet.
Now please show me that these are not the gifts of the Spirit, and not the
fruit of Jesus's work in my heart. I am happy to learn from you, if you can
walk in the light with me and know the fellowship of Christ, to become one
with Him in mind and heart. So please brother, let us share fellowship together
and encourage one another with songs of praise to our Lord and Savior.
[video=youtube;K-0EgzOWkvc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-0EgzOWkvc[/video]
It is simple.
1. True faith is what saves.
2. Works proves the faith is true.
The Bible puts it that faith without works is dead. Like the saying," Facts speak louder than words." Facts are whether or not there are works. Works implies faith. No works implies a dead faith. In logic an implication means if the first part is true the second part MUST be true.
1. True faith is what saves.
2. Works proves the faith is true.
The Bible puts it that faith without works is dead. Like the saying," Facts speak louder than words." Facts are whether or not there are works. Works implies faith. No works implies a dead faith. In logic an implication means if the first part is true the second part MUST be true.
