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Do you believe this saying of Jesus is the truth?
[h=1]Matthew 6:14-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.[/h]In my bible, if God does not forgive you of your sins, you will be full of sin forever, and you will not be able to enter into His presence. IOW you will not be saved in His KOH. Am I right?
[h=1]Matthew 6:14-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.[/h]In my bible, if God does not forgive you of your sins, you will be full of sin forever, and you will not be able to enter into His presence. IOW you will not be saved in His KOH. Am I right?
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Attitude much?
Judas never trusted in God, he was a thief from the beginning, He never knew eternal life, nor desired it. So not sure he would feel better about anything.
And your nonsense about you are as born as the spirit as everyone else. Is wrong. You do not have the same gospel we have. So one of us is not correct. Paul said anyone who had a different gospel is accursed. If you think you are saved, thats fine, it means we are not. But to stay we both are. Is flat wrong.
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John explained it, and it was NOT to get saved, to have his sins washed away, or to join a church.
John 1: [FONT="]29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! [/FONT][FONT="]30 This is He of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ [/FONT][FONT="]31 I did not know Him; but that He should be revealed to Israel, therefore I came baptizing with water.”[/FONT][FONT="]32 And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.”[/FONT]
John 1: [FONT="]29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! [/FONT][FONT="]30 This is He of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ [/FONT][FONT="]31 I did not know Him; but that He should be revealed to Israel, therefore I came baptizing with water.”[/FONT][FONT="]32 And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.”[/FONT]
I am glad that you decided to obey and be baptized. The question is, what if you had disobeyed and decided not to be baptized because someone shamed you enough that you finally decided that it was not necessary?
Would Jesus have just stepped forward and forgiven you, just like it was any other disobedient action you have taken or will take?
Would Jesus have just stepped forward and forgiven you, just like it was any other disobedient action you have taken or will take?
What I find interesting is the following, and yes I've asked myself the question.
Where in the NT does it say that the disciples were baptised after Jesus rose again?
I would think if it was important enough in terms of baptism saving us then I'm sure it would have been written.
Are you aware of any of the disciples being rebaptised?
Where in the NT does it say that the disciples were baptised after Jesus rose again?
I would think if it was important enough in terms of baptism saving us then I'm sure it would have been written.
Are you aware of any of the disciples being rebaptised?
Have you decided to dig your heals in on this matter? Do you not feel the tug, every time you read a Phillip and the eunuch, who after just a few minutes of discussion believed what Phillip said and believe in Jesus, and Phillip immediately pulled the carriage over and took the eunuch into a nearby pond and water baptized him? Or where Jesus and his disciples baptized many (but Jesus did not baptize, but his disciples). Or in Acts, as people believed, they were water baptized.
Water baptism is taught all through the NT beginning with John and ending with the great commission to the apostles from Jesus, to go into all the world and preach the gospel, and baptizing those who believed on your words? You have to really ignore much of the bible in order to not be water baptized. May the Lord be with you.
Water baptism is taught all through the NT beginning with John and ending with the great commission to the apostles from Jesus, to go into all the world and preach the gospel, and baptizing those who believed on your words? You have to really ignore much of the bible in order to not be water baptized. May the Lord be with you.
He can't.
Judas is dead
Seriously though.
Do you think Judas would have been baptised by John the Baptist?
If so then was he not saved, after all John said
Matthew 3:2
2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!”
What was the repentance that John talked about and why one should be baptised?
Was it to save them?
How could it save them because Jesus had not yet started his ministry.
If that's the case what saved them?
John 6:28-35
28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do?
31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ ”
32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
Did Judas truly believe that the kingdom at hand was Jesus?
Did he place his faith in Jesus?
Judas is dead
Seriously though.
Do you think Judas would have been baptised by John the Baptist?
If so then was he not saved, after all John said
Matthew 3:2
2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!”
What was the repentance that John talked about and why one should be baptised?
Was it to save them?
How could it save them because Jesus had not yet started his ministry.
If that's the case what saved them?
John 6:28-35
28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do?
31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ ”
32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
Did Judas truly believe that the kingdom at hand was Jesus?
Did he place his faith in Jesus?
Then explain to us Ableology? Able offered his works and they were not only accepted by God, but commanded by God.
Cain offered unclean works, and God did reject his works. Which brings us to Paul's use of the word 'works'. As in the Cain and Able example, Paul is telling us that there are unclean 'works' that will get us nowhere, but Paul also talks of ' good works' that are important to our eternal life. Good example, thanks.
Cain offered unclean works, and God did reject his works. Which brings us to Paul's use of the word 'works'. As in the Cain and Able example, Paul is telling us that there are unclean 'works' that will get us nowhere, but Paul also talks of ' good works' that are important to our eternal life. Good example, thanks.
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Abel did give back his work. works. He did not work to get the lambs mother pregnant. He did not work to give birth to the lamb, He did not work to make th elamb unblemished, the lamb was a gift from God and he gave it back in offering.
Cain did HARD work to till the ground, He did HARD work to plant the seed sand cultivate it, He did hard work keeping the garden for of weeds and he had to also do the hard work of harvesting the food.
Cain did HARD work to till the ground, He did HARD work to plant the seed sand cultivate it, He did hard work keeping the garden for of weeds and he had to also do the hard work of harvesting the food.
