Now your lieing, andf you hae gone the way of many before you who slander others.
We do not teach disobedience, We teach ALL who are saved WILL OBEY, BECAUSE we ACT OUT our new nature.
Keep it up and you will join other LIARS where they belong
OBEDIENCE AGAINST DISOBEDIENCE
Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
originally posted by EG
Only God can judge is what I would say, And the hope is that we would lead one to salvation, because without salvation and experiencing the true love of God in salvation, no one can be obedient, they may be able to not commit adultry, but 0bedience is far more than not commiting adultry, the command is just guide to use to expose us if we break that command, it does nto even tell us how to obey it. Because it was not given for that purpose.
There is only one requirement to be saved. Not many, and that is to have faith in Jesus (john 3: 16 and many other places) which means you have to repent (if you do not repent you can not have true saving faith)
Adding any work, no matter what it is (water baptism, churhc membership. Taking communion, Giving to the poor. Obeying Gods commands) are adding ones work to the equation of grace through faith. And is a false gospel. Period.
Baptism (HS) is a result of the gospel being applied to our lives
Baptism (water) is an act of obedience to the God who SAVED (yes past tense) us and the ability to give a testimony of God to whoever is witnessing your baptism)
Again, Paul said it best, Not by works of righteousness which we have done (water baptism IS a work of righteousness) But by his mercy, He saved us by the washing (water) and renewal (new birth) OF The HOLY SPIRIT (the one who does the washing and gives us new life)
If I have to do the work of water baptism to be saved, Salvation is NOT by grace, but by works. And if your going to obey one command, You better follow them all. Because if it is of works. We better be perfect.
the penalty of sin is death, It is not being water baptised. The payment can only be paid by death (the cross) Water baptism has NO PART in salvation. Period.
post# 57336 posted by EG
Yet KEEPING HIS COMMANDS is NOT WHY WE ARE SAVED. If one says it is, they are teaching law. And thats the problem. Because they do not understand law. If they did understand law. They would never claim OBEDIENCE IS REQUIRED TO BE SAVED , because they would KNOW and UNDERSTAND no amount of obedience will ever put us over the standard required by God. And then they will truly understand the cross.
ElAmor
….But Jesus said;
Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
Matthew 7:15-23 A Tree and Its Fruit “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
