Not By Works
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My view......
a. He was being put to death for thievery and murder <---no murderer hath eternal life dwelling in him
b. He seemingly railed on Jesus at first based upon one testimony
c. There is no evidence he was immersed by John and or had ever given proof of repentance
d. He acknowledges his guilt and deserved punishment
e. He acknowledge the innocence of Jesus
f. He acknowledges JESUS as LORD and seeks to be remembered in the Kingdom of JESUS
The above proves the following....
a. He had to believe in the resurrection of Christ based upon "f"
b. He acknowledges Jesus as LORD AFTER he rails on him at first
c. As a murderer he did not have eternal life dwelling in him when he was crucified
d. His public profession of faith is in calling JESUS LORD in front of ALL
a. He was being put to death for thievery and murder <---no murderer hath eternal life dwelling in him
b. He seemingly railed on Jesus at first based upon one testimony
c. There is no evidence he was immersed by John and or had ever given proof of repentance
d. He acknowledges his guilt and deserved punishment
e. He acknowledge the innocence of Jesus
f. He acknowledges JESUS as LORD and seeks to be remembered in the Kingdom of JESUS
The above proves the following....
a. He had to believe in the resurrection of Christ based upon "f"
b. He acknowledges Jesus as LORD AFTER he rails on him at first
c. As a murderer he did not have eternal life dwelling in him when he was crucified
d. His public profession of faith is in calling JESUS LORD in front of ALL
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I didn't say anything ... I only posted God's words ...
James 2:14-17 [SUP]14[/SUP]What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? [SUP]15[/SUP]Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. [SUP]16[/SUP]If one of you says to them, "Go in peace; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? [SUP]17[/SUP]In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
James 2:14-17 [SUP]14[/SUP]What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? [SUP]15[/SUP]Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. [SUP]16[/SUP]If one of you says to them, "Go in peace; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? [SUP]17[/SUP]In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
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1 John 5:4 - For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.
1 John 5:5 - Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
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Revelation 3:21 - To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
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philippians
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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1 peter 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
praise God
1 John 5:5 - Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
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Revelation 3:21 - To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
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philippians
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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1 peter 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
praise God
pretty fresh page
Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law
Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Romans 4:5 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 5:1 - Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Galatians 5:6 - For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love
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Since you did not mention it, I will come to a conclusion that for you, the words of Christ are not applicable to our salvation, but only to our position in heaven.
This sounds a lot like how the Mormons believe. All believers go to heaven, but which heaven they go to depends on their faithfulness. The higest kingdom is compared to the glory of the sun, obviously the most faithful Christians. The middle kingdom is compared to the glory of the moon, those who are fairly good Christians. And the lower kingdom is for those who were not valient for Christ. Very poor Christians. And it's glory is compared to the glory of the stars.
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Hi decon, my conversation with benher has always been one sided, as if all that mattered was her opinion. And as soon as one question goes un-answered another one pops up and over and over again. The best example I can give you is she continues to ask questions non-stop just like Franc use to do remember. And I have always had a feeling that I was being baited by her line of questioning, like she knew the answer's already, ya know.
1 Peter 3:15-22 But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. It is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
Yeah I know...there are about 5 or so on here that have no interest in the truth.....we can give a plethora of truthful answers and scriptures to support our positions and they will come back with some crap like found in the post above about Mormonism....We can quote direct scriptures and they accuse us of calling JESUS cursed or God a liar....I am just going to quit responding to people who continually trample the word of God underfoot all while claiming to be spiritual, righteous and all that and a bag of religious chips....!