Not By Works

[Gracie_14]

Just some random kid popping by... no beed to mind me but i kinda agree with no name here..... he was saved and preached the gospel for 30 years and eventually becomes an atheist. I don't4 think he was saved in the first place as noname said cuz for someone to be "saved" and "preach the gospel' for "30" years needs a lot of conviction to believe that God doesn't exist and wheter or not there were some convincing facts.. to renounce God after all that means he wasn't saved at all... except we are not getting your definition of saved.
For him to have gone 30 years of preaching even when knowing what he will face... infact.... to renounce God after all that struggle means he never believed at all.... he was just deceiving himself and others.
Like i said... some random kid popping in.. no need to mind me

preach it, girl!

 

[Incognito]

Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but TO BRING SALVATION to those who are WAITING for him.

Romans 8:24-25 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? But IF WE HOPE FOR WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE YET we wait for it patiently.

2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For WHAT IS SEEN IS TEMPORARY, but WHAT IS UNSEEN IS ETERNAL.

THERE ARE SOME ON THIS FORUM WHO CLAIM TO HAVE ALREADY POSSESSED ETERNAL SALVATION. DO THEY NO LONGER WAIT FOR THE LORD TO BRING THEM SALVATION SINCE THEY ALREADY POSSESS IT? ARE THEY NOT GOING TO FACE JUDGMENT ANYMORE?

Philippians 3:12-16 NOT that I have already OBTAINED all this, or have ALREADY BEEN MADE PERFECT, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward THE GOAL to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are MATURE should take such a view of things. And if on some point YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have ALREADY ATTAINED.

1 Peter 1:9 for you are receiving THE GOAL OF YOUR FAITH, the SALVATION of your souls.


SALVATION IS THE GOAL OF THOSE WHO ARE WAITING FOR HIM, THE CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.

OSAS IS A FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES THE WORD OF GOD.

Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then YOU NO LONGER LET HIM DO ANYTHING for his father or mother. THUS YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that you have handed down. AND YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT.”


JESUS SAID;

“If you love me, you will obey what I command.” john 14:15


…” If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”matthew 19:17


“ Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.” john 14:21-24


THIS FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE TEACHES THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS JUST A WORK THAT MAN CAN DO BUT HAVE NO PART, NEITHER ESSENTIAL NOR NECESSARY FOR SALVATION WHICH CONTRADICTS THE FF:

Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION FOR ALL WHO OBEY HIM.

A QUOTE FROM ElAmor’s POST

2 John 1:4-11 It has given me great joy to find some of your children WALKING IN THE TRUTH, just as the Father COMMANDED US. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had FROM THE BEGINNING. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE. Many DECEIVERS, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as COMING IN THE FLESH, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the DECEIVER and the ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who RUNS AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE in the TEACHING OF CHRIST does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him SHARES IN HIS WICKED WORK.

Who are those RUNNING AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST?

They are those who CLAIM SALVATION is by Faith ALONE and ONCE SAVED they are ALWAYS SAVED therefore rejecting God’s Laws and commands which are in fact God’s own words. says that even obedience to God cannot save anyone because they are works and Faith ALONE saves.

Who then is the deceiver and the ANTICHRIST?

They are those who do not continue in the teaching about WALKING IN LOVE which is WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. Who do not acknowledge Jesus as coming in the flesh by the mere fact that they reject the LAW that prophesied about Jesus as coming in the flesh.

1 John 2:1-6 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. THE MAN WHO SAYS, “I KNOW HIM,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID.””””””””



WE ARE TO WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION NOT AS INDIVIDUALS WORKING FOR HIS OWN SALVATION BUT AS ONE BODY IN CHRIST(eph 4:1-16) WORKING AS GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANTS OF GOD(mat 25:14-30) WHO ARE LIVING ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT AND NOT ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE.(rom 8:1-17) WE HONOR AND GLORIFY GOD BY THESE WORKS OF LOVE, FAITH AND OBEDIENCE THAT BEARS GOOD FRUITS THAT WILL LAST..(john 15:6-17)

Luke 3:9 the ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”


1 Peter 1:3-7 Praise to God for a living hope Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a LIVING HOPE through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade—kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the SALVATION THAT IS READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME. In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be PROVED GENUINE and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.


2 Peter 1:5-11 For this very reason, make every effort to ADD TO YOUR FAITH goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being INEFFECTIVE and UNPRODUCTIVE in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and BLIND, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his PAST SINS. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Galatians 6:7-8 DO NOT BE DECEIVED, GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from
God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.

“DEAD FAITH CANNOT SAVE” ))james 2:14-26)


“LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR” rom 3:4

Hebrews 9:27-28 YES "...but to BRING SALVATION to those who are *WAITING* for HIM" but when you don't "WAIT FOR HIM" according to how HE SAYS (Mark 16:16-20; I Corinthians 12:7-10; 13; Acts 1:5; 8; Ephesians 4:5) one is NOT "WAITING FOR HIM!"

Romans 8:24-25 No need of "WAITING PATIENTLY" and you haven't "KEPT HIS WORD" (I John 2:3-5) given above!

II Corinthians 4:18 Not "ETERNAL" if you haven't "KEPT HIS WORD" (I John 2:3-5) given above.

I BELIEVE HIS WORD! Philippians 1:6 "Being CONFIDENT of this very thing, that HE hath begun a good work in you will perform UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST."

Those who have been baptized by the Holy Spirit all "PRESS" (Philippians 3:12-16) in "THE FAITH" (II Corinthians 13:5) but those who are "self righteous" remain STAGNATED defying scripture which says we "change from glory to glory" (II Corinthians 3:18)!

I Peter 1:9 is talking to those who have been baptized by the Holy Spirit or are "members of the body of Christ" (I Corinthians 12)!

UNTIL HIS RETURN "ON THE CLOUD" I HAVE BEEN "SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE" (Ephesians 1:13) "IN WHOM WE [HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZED] HAVE REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS, ACCORDING TO THE RICHES OF HIS "GRACE;" WHEREIN HE HATH ABOUNDED IN ALL WISDOM AND PRUDENCE; HAVING MADE KNOW UNTO US THE MYSTERY OF HIS WILL, ACCORDING TO HIS GOOD PLEASURE WHICH HE HATH PURPOSED FOR HIMSELF" (EPHESIANS 1:7-9)!

FUNNY HOW YOU QUOTE MARK 7:6-13 YET HAVE DENIED THE WORD OF GOD "ONE BAPTISM" IN EPHESIANS 4:5 WHICH GIVES THE "POWER" JESUS PROMISED IN ACTS 1:8 TO PERFORM THE "MIRACULOUS ACTIONS" JESUS PROMISED IN MARK 16:16-20 AND ACCUSE ONE WHO HAS "OBEYED" OF GIVING "LIP SERVICE?"

YES JESUS DID SAY "IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WILL OBEY MY COMMAND" (JOHN 14:15) AND "...IF YOU WANT TO ENTER LIFE, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS" (MATTHEW 19:17) SO WHY DIDN'T YOU "OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES? WHERE'S YOUR "OBEDIENCE" (JOHN 14:21-24)? MORE "LIP SERVICE?" WHERE YOUR "WALKING IN TRUTH" (II JOHN 1:4-11)? MORE "LIP SERVICE?"

THE "TEACHING OF CHRIST" IS THE "TEACHING" OF HOW THE HOLY SPIRIT OPERATES BUT YOU HAVE TO "PUT ON CHRIST" (GALATIANS 3:27) *BEFORE* YOU CAN BEGIN THIS "SPIRITUAL" JOURNEY AND *BEFORE* ANY OF THE SCRIPTURES APPLY TO YOU BECAUSE TO ARE *NOT* A "MEMBER OF THE BODY OF CHRIST" *UNTIL* YOU ARE HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZED (I CORINTHIANS 12:13) AS JESUS SAID (MARK 16:16-20; I CORINTHIANS 12:7-10; 13)!

WHO IS THE "ANTICHRIST?" "ANTI" MEANING "NOT" ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT "OBEYED" WHO GOD CALLS "A LIAR" (I JOHN 2:3-5)!

WE DON'T "WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION" AS IN A PHYSICAL SENSE; THAT'S WHAT YOUR VICEGERENT TAUGHT YOU. "FOR IT IS *GOD* WHICH *WORKETH* IN YOU [AFTER HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM] BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO OF *HIS* GOOD PLEASURE" (PHILIPPIANS 2:13).

YOU SURE CAN'T "PRODUCE FRUIT" IF HE'S NOT DOWN INSIDE OF YOU "WORKING" FOR "HE'S THE ONE THAT DOES THE WORK" ACCORDING TO PHILIPPIANS 2:13, "TEACHING US THAT, DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY LUSTS, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTEOUSLY, AND GODLY, IN THIS PRESENT WORLD" (TITUS 2:12)!

DID YOU FORGET "HE'S THE POTTER AND WE'RE THE CLAY" (ISAIAH 64:8)?

I PETER, II PETER AND *NONE* OF THE BOOKS *AFTER THE CROSS* APPLIES TO *ANYONE* WHO HAS *NOT* BEEN BAPTIZED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AS JESUS SAID WITH "CONFORMATION" (MARK 16:16-20; I CORINTHIANS 12:7-10; 13; ACTS 1:5; 8) BECAUSE JESUS WANTS PROOF SO ONE CAN BE "A WITNESS UNTO HIM" (ACTS 1:8) FOR THE WORLD TO "SEE" WITH THEIR PHYSICAL EYES THAT YOU HAVE HIS "POWER" TO PERFORM THE "MIRACULOUS ACTIONS" HE PROMISED!

WHERE IS YOUR "POWER?"

"POWER" IS WHAT GIVES ONE THE "SPIRITUAL GIFT" OF "FAITH" (I CORINTHIANS 12:9) THAT ONE RECEIVES *AFTER* BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SO JAMES 2:14-26 IS SPEAKING TO *YOU* AND YOUR "DEAD FAITH!"

YES! "LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR" (ROMANS 3:4)!

WHERE'S YOUR "POWER" (ACTS 1:8)?

"LIAR" (I JOHN 2:3-5)!

 

[loyaldisciple]

logical fallacies are not questions.....

they are strawmen arguments in the form of a question


he WAS not saved

because he DID not have faith

if he HAD a genuine faith

it is followed by a new heart and spirit from God


this isnt a powerless meaningless thing

if you are born again
you KNOW by your quickened spirit you have been made new


it is impossible to become an athiest

The question was not any fallacy. It was a hypothetical and logical question. I see you refuse to answer the question on it's own merit, instead preferring to twist the parameters. This shows some lack of confidence in your beliefs. Otherwise you would answer the question exactly as it was presented. You have told me all I need to know of your belief. It is on shaky ground and unable to deal with tough controversial questions.

It is not up to you to decide what is possible or impossible to happen inside of another man's heart or mind. That is between himself and God. So, what you are saying is if a man is truly saved, then it is impossible for him to become unsaved even if he decides he no longer wants God. Although I agree that would be highly unlikely and totally foolish for any man to make such a decision, I will not go as far as to say it is impossible such as you have stated. I believe it is possible, as if a saved man chose to fall from grace, then I believe God would let him do so. I do not believe God is going to hold any of His believers captive. If they become deceived into believing another God, then I believe God will let them go. He would have to, otherwise there would no longer be any "free will".

Don't think a man cannot be so foolish to make such a decision either. I have heard of it happening, all be it as sad as it may be.

 

[UnderGrace]

He is definitely saved in the beginning, believing in every word of the Bible and worshiping God. Then, something occurs in his life,

Is this your definition of what it means to be saved?

Your answer does not follow the parameters of the question. The question begins with the man definitely being saved. He is definitely saved in the beginning, believing in every word of the Bible and worshiping God. Then, something occurs in his life, he allows the devil to deceive him and by his own free will he stops believing in God and becomes an Atheist. IS HE STILL SAVED at that point is the question ? You are not asking the question, I am, so you cannot change the beginning to suit your preference. He certainly is saved in the beginning, now is he still saved after he voluntarily turned his back on God in favor of Atheism ?

My belief is that GOD will let one walk out His door just as quickly as He will let one walk in His door. Do you believe GOD doesn't allow the man that "free will" ?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

The question was not any fallacy. It was a hypothetical and logical question. I see you refuse to answer the question on it's own merit, instead preferring to twist the parameters. This shows some lack of confidence in your beliefs. Otherwise you would answer the question exactly as it was presented. You have told me all I need to know of your belief. It is on shaky ground and unable to deal with tough controversial questions.

It is not up to you to decide what is possible or impossible to happen inside of another man's heart or mind. That is between himself and God. So, what you are saying is if a man is truly saved, then it is impossible for him to become unsaved even if he decides he no longer wants God. Although I agree that would be highly unlikely and totally foolish for any man to make such a decision, I will not go as far as to say it is impossible such as you have stated. I believe it is possible, as if a saved man chose to fall from grace, then I believe God would let him do so. I do not believe God is going to hold any of His believers captive. If they become deceived into believing another God, then I believe God will let them go. He would have to, otherwise there would no longer be any "free will".

Don't think a man cannot be so foolish to make such a decision either. I have heard of it happening, all be it as sad as it may be.

when i asked to debate

i asked for scripture

you are making a logical fallacy

but i understand you arent doing this on purpose

because you believe someone can be saved

then not be saved


we are saved by grace
through faith <-

the faith that saves a man is placed in Christ
and it isnt some weak dead faith that can be lost


the same way you can know you were born


you can know you were born again

Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


when this happens


1 peter

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:


this happens


and when this happens


Romans 8

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

this happens

 

[TruthTalk]

when i asked to debate

i asked for scripture

you are making a logical fallacy

but i understand you arent doing this on purpose

because you believe someone can be saved

then not be saved


we are saved by grace
through faith <-

the faith that saves a man is placed in Christ
and it isnt some weak dead faith that can be lost


the same way you can know you were born


you can know you were born again

Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


when this happens


1 peter

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:


this happens


and when this happens


Romans 8

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

this happens

Amen! Preach on brother!

 

[Incognito]

Amen! Preach on brother!

He's not preaching ANYTHING because until one is baptized by the Holy Spirit with "CONFORMATION" they are NOTHING!

 

[NoNameMcgee]

He's not preaching ANYTHING because until one is baptized by the Holy Spirit with "CONFORMATION" they are NOTHING!

oh i have been actually

praise God



you make many false claims about Gods children

 

[NoNameMcgee]

ok

i was made new

God gave me a new heart and quickened spirit

this has been wonderful

since then God has been working in me

my heart now hates what it once took pleasure in and actually sought after (lusts of the flesh....)

and now desires righteousness

it has been a complete transformation


and i am sooo grateful

even though i did face many hardships since then

my Father in Heaven has worked everything for good

teaching me valuble lessons
breaking many things from me

chastening
and encouraging me through the Holy spirit

it truely is a miracle

here is a bump for incog

 

[Incognito]

when i asked to debate

i asked for scripture

you are making a logical fallacy

but i understand you arent doing this on purpose

because you believe someone can be saved

then not be saved


we are saved by grace
through faith <-

the faith that saves a man is placed in Christ
and it isnt some weak dead faith that can be lost


the same way you can know you were born


you can know you were born again

Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


when this happens


1 peter

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:


this happens


and when this happens


Romans 8

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

this happens

She is RIGHT! One can "FALL FROM GRACE" through "UNBELIEF" (Hebrews 3:19)! That's why GOD COMMANDED us to "Search the Scriptures to see if these things are so" (Acts 17:11)!

When TRUTH is delivered to one and they "DON'T BELIEVE" GOD SAID "For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy command delivered unto them" (II Peter 2:20)!

 

[NoNameMcgee]

She is RIGHT! One can "FALL FROM GRACE" through "UNBELIEF" (Hebrews 3:19)! That's why GOD COMMANDED us to "Search the Scriptures to see if these things are so" (Acts 17:11)!

When TRUTH is delivered to one and they "DON'T BELIEVE" GOD SAID "For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy command delivered unto them" (II Peter 2:20)!

you call Gods children satan and reject so many scriptures to push the man made doctrine which you choose to believe

even tried to conflate Jesus teaching slavation is through Him to mean everyone gets healing powers


stop it


you are functioning as a wolf

not a sheep

 

[Incognito]

here is a bump for incog

There's *NEVER* a "bump" according to the WORD OF GOD!

One can ONLY "get a new heart" AFTER baptism by the Holy Spirit!

Otherwise one "worships from his GUT" (Philippians 3:19)!

 

[Incognito]

you call Gods children satan and reject so many scriptures to push the man made doctrine which you choose to believe

even tried to conflate Jesus teaching slavation is through Him to mean everyone gets healing powers


stop it


you are functioning as a wolf

not a sheep

I GIVE WORD!

Are you calling Jesus "a wolf?"

 

[NoNameMcgee]

She is RIGHT! One can "FALL FROM GRACE" through "UNBELIEF" (Hebrews 3:19)! That's why GOD COMMANDED us to "Search the Scriptures to see if these things are so" (Acts 17:11)!

When TRUTH is delivered to one and they "DON'T BELIEVE" GOD SAID "For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy command delivered unto them" (II Peter 2:20)!

john 6

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I GIVE WORD!

Are you calling Jesus "a wolf?"

no

i specifically said you are functioning as a wolf because you twist scripture to fit your false doctrine

then ignore sooooo many verses and conflate others

i believe that you believe what you say


but it isnt biblical no matter how much you want it to be

 

[Incognito]

oh i have been actually

praise God



you make many false claims about Gods children

Who me?

I DELIVER WORD!

Mark 16:16-20; I Corinthians 12:7-10; 13; Acts 1:5; 8!

Did *I* say THAT?

UNBELIEF (Hebrews 3:19)?

 

[Incognito]

no

i specifically said you are functioning as a wolf because you twist scripture to fit your false doctrine

then ignore sooooo many verses and conflate others

i believe that you believe what you say


but it isnt biblical no matter how much you want it to be

Did you say "isn't biblical" or did you mean "not religiously correct?"

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Who me?

I DELIVER WORD!

Mark 16:16-20; I Corinthians 12:7-10; 13; Acts 1:5; 8!

Did *I* say THAT?

UNBELIEF (Hebrews 3:19)?

i have

and will continue to pray for God to open your eyes to the truth

i hold no ill will against you for all your false claims and lies


but ....

it does sadden me to see you so confused and not even realize it

 

[Deror]

Im sure you rememebered, and once you put it on, you don't take it off. Jesus is watching over you. Amen.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Did you say "isn't biblical" or did you mean "not religiously correct?"

i meant exactly what i said

not what you are trying to impute to my post