My kind of CHURCH. Never had the opportunity to attend a Plymouth Brethren Church, however I used to go to a GRACE BRETHREN Church, and it was CONSERVATIVE, Noncomformist, and Christian evangelicals. It was one of my FAVORITE Churches that I have ever attended and it had two services on Sunday morning. It was so popular, if you did not get there early, you would end up in a separate room watching the Service on closes circuit TV.
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Hi Preacher, the Plymouth Brethren Church website can be found at this link if you are interested.
Church website: Plymouth Brethren - The Exclusive Brethren Church*| Plymouth Brethren Christian Church
The only association I have ever had with the Brethren was at the Chiang Mai Baptist Group in Thailand, delightful Christians and a big heart for foreign missions. Their roots go back to 1800's Dublin Ireland.
I'm not sure if VCO is referring to this Brethren Church or not.
Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches
The Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches, before 1976 known under the name of National Fellowship of Brethren Churches, is a theologically conservative fellowship of Brethren churches that was founded in 1939 as a conservative split from the Brethren Church. The church traces its roots back to the Schwarzenau Brethren movement of Alexander Mack, founded in 1708 in Schwarzenau, Germany.
Members
As of 2003, the Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches is made up of over 265 churches in the United States and Canada, with a membership of over 30,000.[SUP][6][/SUP] There are 23 districts cooperating with the Fellowship, and over 1100 churches have been formed outside North America. Worldwide attendance in Grace Brethren Churches is estimated to be 600,000 people.
Attributes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_of_Grace_Brethren_Churches
Church website: Plymouth Brethren - The Exclusive Brethren Church*| Plymouth Brethren Christian Church
The only association I have ever had with the Brethren was at the Chiang Mai Baptist Group in Thailand, delightful Christians and a big heart for foreign missions. Their roots go back to 1800's Dublin Ireland.
I'm not sure if VCO is referring to this Brethren Church or not.
Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches
The Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches, before 1976 known under the name of National Fellowship of Brethren Churches, is a theologically conservative fellowship of Brethren churches that was founded in 1939 as a conservative split from the Brethren Church. The church traces its roots back to the Schwarzenau Brethren movement of Alexander Mack, founded in 1708 in Schwarzenau, Germany.
Members
As of 2003, the Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches is made up of over 265 churches in the United States and Canada, with a membership of over 30,000.[SUP][6][/SUP] There are 23 districts cooperating with the Fellowship, and over 1100 churches have been formed outside North America. Worldwide attendance in Grace Brethren Churches is estimated to be 600,000 people.
Attributes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_of_Grace_Brethren_Churches
You know....Jesus was clear...the plenteous in number will come before the throne boasting of all the wonderful works they have done in HIS NAME AND CLAIMING their right to enter based upon said works...also included in this fantasy is the belief that they know Jesus and he knows them......
Sounds exactly like most so called religious Christian dogma pushed by the workers for, Pharisees, Lawyers, Law Keepers (who don't keep the law) and any other religious affiliation that pushes works as part of salvation (to gain, keep or embellish)
Tragic truth...faith plus anything = false gospel with no power to save....the above mentioned get cast from the presence of Christ, are not allowed in the Kingdom and end up paying the price for eternity....
Jesus saves all eternally by grace through faith no strings or works attached (to gain eternal life that is)
Trust Jesus....not your works!
Sounds exactly like most so called religious Christian dogma pushed by the workers for, Pharisees, Lawyers, Law Keepers (who don't keep the law) and any other religious affiliation that pushes works as part of salvation (to gain, keep or embellish)
Tragic truth...faith plus anything = false gospel with no power to save....the above mentioned get cast from the presence of Christ, are not allowed in the Kingdom and end up paying the price for eternity....
Jesus saves all eternally by grace through faith no strings or works attached (to gain eternal life that is)
Trust Jesus....not your works!
You know....Jesus was clear...the plenteous in number will come before the throne boasting of all the wonderful works they have done in HIS NAME AND CLAIMING their right to enter based upon said works...also included in this fantasy is the belief that they know Jesus and he knows them......
Sounds exactly like most so called religious Christian dogma pushed by the workers for, Pharisees, Lawyers, Law Keepers (who don't keep the law) and any other religious affiliation that pushes works as part of salvation (to gain, keep or embellish)
Tragic truth...faith plus anything = false gospel with no power to save....the above mentioned get cast from the presence of Christ, are not allowed in the Kingdom and end up paying the price for eternity....
Jesus saves all eternally by grace through faith no strings or works attached (to gain eternal life that is)
Trust Jesus....not your works!
Sounds exactly like most so called religious Christian dogma pushed by the workers for, Pharisees, Lawyers, Law Keepers (who don't keep the law) and any other religious affiliation that pushes works as part of salvation (to gain, keep or embellish)
Tragic truth...faith plus anything = false gospel with no power to save....the above mentioned get cast from the presence of Christ, are not allowed in the Kingdom and end up paying the price for eternity....
Jesus saves all eternally by grace through faith no strings or works attached (to gain eternal life that is)
Trust Jesus....not your works!
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]
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John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?”[/FONT]
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John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?”[/FONT]
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name calling and accusation, from doing nothing but posting some of Yahshua's words.
sad.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:16 , “You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people.”[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
James 4:11-12,11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but a judge."12 There is one Lawgiver and Judge, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?"
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sad.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:16 , “You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people.”[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
James 4:11-12,11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but a judge."12 There is one Lawgiver and Judge, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?"
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You call me a hypocrite, but can you quote a single time that I have said I am without sin? And you use "lawyer" as a term of slander do you not?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah (Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their reviling.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”
Is it right to break and teach agaise His Laws?
or
Is it right to do and teach His Laws?
and no accusation is needed for something I have not said or for seeking to do the will of Messiah,
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and possessing the Witness of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah (Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their reviling.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”
Is it right to break and teach agaise His Laws?
or
Is it right to do and teach His Laws?
and no accusation is needed for something I have not said or for seeking to do the will of Messiah,
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and possessing the Witness of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."[/FONT]
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Do you keep the law....yes or no?
And I call you a lawyer because you incessantly push the law, rarely speak of grace and Jesus and his imputed righteousness by faith WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW.....and the lawers and Pharisees of old done the same thing....peddled that which they themselves did not keep....
And I call you a lawyer because you incessantly push the law, rarely speak of grace and Jesus and his imputed righteousness by faith WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW.....and the lawers and Pharisees of old done the same thing....peddled that which they themselves did not keep....
How many times have you asked me this and I have answered? Mpre than 10, every time we tallk
Then when I answer, and say yea I haved sinned and may in the future you quote it in big font as if you have found a triphy of accusation.
Sad, you are a sad man, you sit in the seat of accusation and speak against His righteous Instructions.
If I was such a bad person worthy of such slander you could surely quote posts of mine that I say false things?
Then when I answer, and say yea I haved sinned and may in the future you quote it in big font as if you have found a triphy of accusation.
Sad, you are a sad man, you sit in the seat of accusation and speak against His righteous Instructions.
If I was such a bad person worthy of such slander you could surely quote posts of mine that I say false things?
No the lawyers and pharisees did not do this, they had their own Law:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 15:3-9, “But He answering, said to them, “Why do you also transgress the command of YHWH because of your tradition? For YHWH has commanded, saying, ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated, is certainly released from respecting his father or mother.’ So you have nullified the command of YHWH by your tradition."Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14*) prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
I promote what the Scripture calls love, you may not accept it as love but the WOrd says it is love:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, “By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy.”
nearly everytime you seek to focus on sin or my sin I quote this:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][/FONT]When new covenant is talked about I quote Hebrews in which Messiah has come forth by His own blood to make intercession for us...
But you make claims that the ratio of my quotes is not to your liking thus deserving of criticisim, you are indeed a sad man.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 15:3-9, “But He answering, said to them, “Why do you also transgress the command of YHWH because of your tradition? For YHWH has commanded, saying, ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated, is certainly released from respecting his father or mother.’ So you have nullified the command of YHWH by your tradition."Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14*) prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
I promote what the Scripture calls love, you may not accept it as love but the WOrd says it is love:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, “By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy.”
nearly everytime you seek to focus on sin or my sin I quote this:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][/FONT]When new covenant is talked about I quote Hebrews in which Messiah has come forth by His own blood to make intercession for us...
But you make claims that the ratio of my quotes is not to your liking thus deserving of criticisim, you are indeed a sad man.