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TruthTalk

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So you think there is a difference between OSAS and ES. You would have a fight with all those Christians that have OSAS teeshirts and are proud to have been saved.
So the teeshirt makes what you say correct, right? Just more of your unbelievable nonsense. 140 pages and not one "Like Sticker", put that on your T'shirt.
 

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If I believe and have been baptized of the HS, what is it to you that I also am engaged in good works. Is Jesus going to say, you didn't need to be engaged in good works, therefore I will not give you eternal life, even though you believed and were baptized of the HS.
Is that how it works?
What you have not done, is to convince us that you EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS TO BE BAPTIZED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. I noticed you said "OF THE HS", very impersonally. That is an error in and of itself. If you do not believe that the Holy Spirit has IMMERSED you INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST, then you are only an insufficient FOLLOWER of Christ, NOT ONE WHO KNOWS HIM PERSONALLY. If you do not understand that the Immersion by the HOLY SPIRIT into the Body of Christ, is a REAL THING, and that IT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN one who is still Dead in the Spirit, and one who is ETERNALLY ALIVE IN YOUR HUMAN SPIRIT. If you cannot understand that spiritual BAPTISM by the Holy Spirit is WAY MORE IMPORTANT than any Christian Water Baptism, I do not believe you are Born Again. IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A REAL PERSON TO YOU, THAT HAS TAKEN UP RESIDENCE IN YOUR HEART, AND YOU KNOW HIM INTIMATELY, AND HE IS YOUR TEACHER, you are still lost.
 

TruthTalk

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We will not lose our salvation unless you finally come to a point that you deny all the promptings of the HS, and then you will lose your salvation.

If you have a good mind toward God and you are trying to listen, but you do not hear every prompting, this is where the grace of Jesus will make it all right and the imputing of the righteousness of Jesus will be good for us. But there can come a time when a Christian who thinks they were baptized of the HS, gives up on Jesus and refuses to hear the promptings of the HS and this lead to the losing of ones salvation. Jesus will not force a person to have eternal life.
Bible verses please, where does the bible support these useless ideas of yours,

Support your ideas with bible verses please; oh you have none.
 
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Mark 8:36 - “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”



It is possible to lose your soul.
 

VCO

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What do you mean by "Gives up on Jesus?

That is a concept that is FOREIGN to all TRUE BELIEVERS. When I was in the Prison Ministry, I had a inmate tell me, "I tried Christianity, IT DOES NOT WORK." NO, he never even came close to being a REAL CHRISTIAN. He thought GOD was a magic genie, and if he rubbed him the right way, he would get what he wants from GOD. GOD IS NOT A MAGIC GENIE!

I have to wonder if that is what draws them done the of the False Doctrine Path of Works Righteousness?

Are they expecting GOD to give them what they want, if they rub God the right way?
 

benhur

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the question is do you trust god or not.

Only if you do not trust God will you not do good works.

Stop focusing on your performance (works) and start focusing on God.

You rwork will fail you (it will never add up ) God never will
The real question is do you do the works that God has prepared for you to do? If you do not do what God has set up for you to do, will he save you?
 

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Mark 8:36 - “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

It is possible to lose your soul. "No it is not possible"
Nice try, the man Jesus is speaking about is "not saved", so that if you are not saved and gain the whole world what would it profit you because in the end you will lose you soul. the man is obviously, "not saved"

This passage does not prove a Cristian can lose their soul. "profit a man", the man is not saved
 

BillG

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That is a concept that is FOREIGN to all TRUE BELIEVERS. When I was in the Prison Ministry, I had a inmate tell me, "I tried Christianity, IT DOES NOT WORK." NO, he never even came close to being a REAL CHRISTIAN. He thought GOD was a magic genie, and if he rubbed him the right way, he would get what he wants from GOD. GOD IS NOT A MAGIC GENIE!

I have to wonder if that is what draws them done the of the False Doctrine Path of Works Righteousness?

Are they expecting GOD to give them what they want, if they rub God the right way?
I think you raise a very important point.
God is not a genie.

In a sense we are not in it to win it (lottery slogan over here).
We are in it because we believe.
 
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The real question is do you do the works that God has prepared for you to do? If you do not do what God has set up for you to do, will he save you?
Nope. thats not the question at all.

The question is, do you have a living faith in God, or not.
 

TruthTalk

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The real question is do you do the works that God has prepared for you to do? If you do not do what God has set up for you to do, will he save you?
Here you go again harping on your lovely works, but you say, "oh no not me", plus we are already saved. What foolishness.
 

benhur

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That is a concept that is FOREIGN to all TRUE BELIEVERS. When I was in the Prison Ministry, I had a inmate tell me, "I tried Christianity, IT DOES NOT WORK." NO, he never even came close to being a REAL CHRISTIAN. He thought GOD was a magic genie, and if he rubbed him the right way, he would get what he wants from GOD. GOD IS NOT A MAGIC GENIE!

I have to wonder if that is what draws them done the of the False Doctrine Path of Works Righteousness?

Are they expecting GOD to give them what they want, if they rub God the right way?
It is foreign to a true believer, but who can know who a true believer is?

God does give blessings to his sons and daughters here on earth, mainly through the good works of his other sons and daughters who are living the law of Christ and lightening the burdens of their fellow men.
 

benhur

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Mark 8:36 - “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”



It is possible to lose your soul.
A good Christian can lose their soul if they lose focus on the cross, and lose focus on the life of Jesus and his saying that if you love me, then follow me and keep my commandments.
 

BillG

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It is foreign to a true believer, but who can know who a true believer is?

God does give blessings to his sons and daughters here on earth, mainly through the good works of his other sons and daughters who are living the law of Christ and lightening the burdens of their fellow men.
And that is my point to you in an earlier post.

Who can who a true believer is?

Yes God does give blessings to his sons and daughters but he also gives blessings to those who are not living the law of Christ and lightening the burdens of fellow men.

So what are the differences between the blessings of his kids and those who are not his kids?

What do you think?
 
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A good Christian can lose their soul if they lose focus on the cross, and lose focus on the life of Jesus and his saying that if you love me, then follow me and keep my commandments.
every single born again believer is an adopted son/daughter of God and makes it to heaven by grace through faith

regardless of your constant attempt to fight against the teachings of Jesus

this remains true
 

TruthTalk

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I am saved unto good works, are you not?
Yes I am, however you put your works out in front, I put Jesus my savior in the forefront of my life. Boasting of your works is not permitted, you are continually talking about your good works and I am saying stop boasting, we know what God requires of us, no need to continually put yours works out in front.

Works don't save Jesus saves, if you are looking to keep yourself saved by your wonderful works,
you have fallen from grace.
 

benhur

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News flash, benhur is promoting a false salvation by works gospel, that can be lost.

benhur misrepresents and twists the words of the bible trying to uphold his lies. He tells fallacious fake stories that will never ever happen and then he tries to incorrectly tie his fake stories to scripture.

Rarely does he post a scripture because his interpretations and application of God's word is horrible and everybody knows it. He should spend more time at serious bible study or else try his hand at writing fiction.

He reads the bible like it was a novel and he will interpret the bible just as he see's fit to do.
Just remember decon and you are spewing that 90% of Christians are worshipping the wrong Jesus. That is interesting.
 

TruthTalk

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A good Christian can lose their soul if they lose focus on the cross, and lose focus on the life of Jesus and his saying that if you love me, then follow me and keep my commandments.
A good Christian "can lose their soul", so eternal salvation is now conditional.

I'm done, and be careful benhur lest you lose your focus and end up in hell, be careful now.

You kind of make things up as you go and you forgot to say, "His commandment are not burdensome".