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JohnTalmid

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Nor will you EVER in this life....exactly why it points us to CHRIST.......and that is exactly what you miss....you are trying to do the impossible.....break the least=guilty of the whole......

wake up to faith, grace and mercy in JESUS and REST in his completed work!
Again DC under the law of sin and death yes but not under the law of spirit and truth which in it one finds how to live life
 

slave

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Yeah and what response were you seeking to get from him?

Even Satan can quote scriptures so unless you can tell him what you mean by posting them, you open it up for miscommunication and misunderstanding of your intent.

Your spirit told you, eh?
I don't need a response from DC - I simply wanted him to know how much I care. In addition, I want him to receive God's Word as a gift from God and not a ploy from me.

And finally, Yes, The Holy Spirit spoke to my spirit and thru intuition I received it and applied it to my body to carry it out - What do you live by? Keep in mind when I gave the first Scripture...It came after a believer (not an unbeliever) used initials which stands for a curse word to implement guidance in the name of the Lord; That is where God's love began in correction. That's it. He has no obligation to me to have to respond to that, but he does God. I was just there and God moved my spirit. If I am told to do something clearly, to not do it is not my commitment. His words don't bother my flesh, they only bothered my spirit; which in turn God bothered mine to respond.

I certainly hope you are not suggesting I am satan, or house him within my spirit! ??
 
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I am sorry sis but i do believe that the word of God is flawless and i need not interpret or add to it. I do not lean on my own understanding and if ever it offended anyone, it's just meant to...

Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Proverbs 3:1-7 Further Benefits of Wisdom My son, do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity. Let love and faithfulness never leave you; bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart. Then you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man. Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord and shun evil.
In other words you don't have a point, just want to quote random Bible verses?


Okay, have fun then.

When you get tired of it, you can join the grown up conversation.
 
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Ariel82

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"I certainly hope you are not suggesting I am satan, or house him within my spirit! ??"

God says to learn discernment for a reason and if people post randomn Bible verses because a spirit tells them too. Its not unreasonable to ask said spirit it's motives.

Not all spirits are from God. How do you know it's the Holy Spirit?

What fruit will your words cause to be born?

Is it edifying? How does it apply to the conversation?

Can it be misapplied?

Is it a personal message or to be shared?

Many people judge others with the conviction God meant to apply to themselves.
 

JohnTalmid

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"I certainly hope you are not suggesting I am satan, or house him within my spirit! ??"

God says to learn discernment for a reason and if people post randomn Bible verses because a spirit tells them too. Its not unreasonable to ask said spirit it's motives.

Not all spirits are from God. How do you know it's the Holy Spirit?

What fruit will your words cause to be born?
You are asked to test the spirit from scripture, I suggest that's what you should persue
 

JohnTalmid

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I don't need a response from DC - I simply wanted him to know how much I care. In addition, I want him to receive God's Word as a gift from God and not a ploy from me.

And finally, Yes, The Holy Spirit spoke to my spirit and thru intuition I received it and applied it to my body to carry it out - What do you live by? Keep in mind when I gave the first Scripture...It came after a believer (not an unbeliever) used initials which stands for a curse word to implement guidance in the name of the Lord; That is where God's love began in correction. That's it. He has no obligation to me to have to respond to that, but he does God. I was just there and God moved my spirit. If I am told to do something clearly, to not do it is not my commitment. His words don't bother my flesh, they only bothered my spirit; which in turn God bothered mine to respond.

I certainly hope you are not suggesting I am satan, or house him within my spirit! ??
As for me, I see good fruit in your post. Shalom
 
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Ariel82

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You are asked to test the spirit from scripture, I suggest that's what you should persue
And I would state that I am.

Words are spoken from the heart and reveals what is within.
 
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Ariel82

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Yeah...ignore the fact he states "NO ONE HATES YOU" and focus on two letters?

Peace or strife?

Seeing what is good and holy and right?

Or seeking flaws and nitpicking others faults?
 
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Ariel82

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You don't really know me, so I doubt your love is more than a superficial feeling or a general ambiance you have for all of humanity.

However, if you love God, then that will be more than good enough.

I guess my response is:

God loves you and maybe with time he will teach me how to love you as He does and show me why He has this deep affection and overpowering love for you.
 
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JohnTalmid

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Instead of saying to test what is said...
I'm saying for you to test it because that's what scripture says for us to do.

Whatever is necessary, is one of the three things we are to say out of persuet of the way of love. Love of God and love of your neighbor.
 

slave

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Faith isn't "instruction lived by grace"

You can add instruction to faith and that can help you learn to live godly lives but Faith is dependent upon Whom you place your faith in.

Some say what ,but that is not a saving faith.
Yes, that is the role of the Holy Spirit and not faith; So then the Holy Spirit is that which we have faith in via Jesus Christ; publicly agreeing to offer ourselves over to God so as to be enabled to no longer live by the flesh as an agreement with God in being saved, for baptism is a two-sided coin; we must proclaim our death of our flesh; and our separation from the world, before the life Christ offers can be real thru grace.

But faith has no saving principles in and of itself. The Cross of Christ is Our eternal life thru grace; thus, faith takes over from their in our innocence - not predisposed to having saving qualities, it is our obedience applied to trusting in that Spirit of God to be the voice of Jesus, and by it live according to His will over our own.
 

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Christ's finished work of redemption is the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation and faith in Christ is the instrumental means by which we receive the free gift of eternal life. Faith is only as good as the OBJECT that we place it in.
 

JohnTalmid

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For example isn't it more "pheresinical" to use scripture to show one wrong or attempt to correct and uplift?
I'm saying and maybe Messiah is saying that we should agree scripture is good for correction and all faith if we use it in this way. It is only a coincidence at least that we start to look like Messiah now fulfilling the true spirit of the law by grace. Doesn't it show Messiah in truth if I say I guard Sabbath because it is written on my heart and I seek to understand its way. It was one of you who brought to my mind though it was in my heart that the Sabbath is like our salvation from the work of the cross that it is an image of. But if we still have something to hope for it is to be made perfect in likeness to our Master Messiah Yahs' Salvation. The children of Israel's disobedience was they did not mix their trust with faith. True faith comes only by the spirit. Grace or favor is now dispensed to all through the work of Messiah on the stake and his resurrection. Think about it every year the anger of Elohim was kindled in Israel because they would not pursue Him out of love. Only a remnant would seek Him and the way to walk. We should look and see if the whole world is write but we should know by scripture that this is false. The world is enemy of righteousness, and at war with God. Now it has been many generations since the cross and in Israel's day they all perished in the desert who didn't enter into His Sabbath. And again warning you who understand that what happened to them is still a valid warning for today. Because it is written "today if you hear my voice do not harden your hearts like they did in the wilderness, or forget to look upon the stake and remember YHWH like they did in front of Moses. The testimony against those who rejected the way of Elohim and do not listen to Messiah is great.

It is written today as a witness against wickedness not to you who are heir's to the Kingdom of Elohim and to its promises of everlasting life and more.
 

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"I certainly hope you are not suggesting I am satan, or house him within my spirit! ??"

God says to learn discernment for a reason and if people post randomn Bible verses because a spirit tells them too. Its not unreasonable to ask said spirit it's motives.

Not all spirits are from God. How do you know it's the Holy Spirit?

What fruit will your words cause to be born?

Is it edifying? How does it apply to the conversation?

Can it be misapplied?

Is it a personal message or to be shared?

Many people judge others with the conviction God meant to apply to themselves.
What? "Learn discernment?" What class teaches that? Or should we say, live by the spirit instead. So, tell me after you have tested the spirits involved in DC's curse reference and my biblical response to it, whose Spirit was I coming from?; but to be fair; use the same test on whose spirit HIs comment was coming from?, since you are rebuking me, I assume you are trained in this class of learning to discern, so what is your answer to my questions. Now, note, if you don't directly answer my questions, you will have answered my questions.
 

JohnTalmid

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Leviticus 19:2 ish
Hebrew 5:14 ish
Rom. 12 ish

Discernment is learned through what you eat. When the scripture makes it known in Instruction perfectly and God doesn't change again..
 

slave

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"I certainly hope you are not suggesting I am satan, or house him within my spirit! ??" (quoted from Slave)

God says to learn discernment for a reason and if people post randomn Bible verses because a spirit tells them too. Its not unreasonable to ask said spirit it's motives.

Not all spirits are from God. How do you know it's the Holy Spirit?

What fruit will your words cause to be born?

Is it edifying? How does it apply to the conversation?

Can it be misapplied?

Is it a personal message or to be shared?

Many people judge others with the conviction God meant to apply to themselves.
If we want "to know "... whether they are of God..." then we need to look to His Word to see if the spirits align with the truths, principles and promises found there.


Something to remember though, " But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (I Corinthians 2:14)

So if we are to discern whether something is of the Spirit of God then we must accept God because as natural man we are incapable of discerning it on our own.


And how do we come to know God? Romans 12: 2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."


It is by receiving God's Spirit and being transformed by renewing our minds by His word that we are able to discern whether spirits are of God or not. You have retorted me for applying Scripture, why? You are not discerning spirit you are judging me. "What fruit will your words cause to be born,?" you ask? You have cause and affect mixed up. One can give beautifully fruitful words from the tree of that fruit, and one can deny them as fruitful and go and to lay word to another (conceptualizing) fruitful words which bears a result of another tree; nonetheless still bearing fruit of it own. In no way can one tree bear another fruit other than the tree it was born of.
 
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1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

We debate about this and that,and sometimes we say that the other person is deceived,God is not working in their life,they are not chosen.

But I believe Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,that He is Lord and Savior,and He is the Christ,the Son of the living God,a sinless man,conceived of the Holy Spirit,whose blood takes away our sins,so we can receive the Holy Spirit,and He is our King,High Priest,whose kingdom is a kingdom that will be forever.

Now how could I believe these things if I was deceived,for no person can believe these things unless God is working in their life.
 

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In other words you don't have a point, just want to quote random Bible verses?


Okay, have fun then.

When you get tired of it, you can join the grown up conversation.
1 Corinthians 4:2-7 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

John 12:42-43 Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; for they loved praise from men more than praise from God.