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Ariel82

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You appear to have a heart for your son.
Jesus was talking to men with dead hearts.

Are you saying I have a dead heart? I know you do not, but the stuff you post
is too strong!!! Where is your grace and love? Imagine all these guys are like
your son, would you speak like this then?
Yea he would because he is sick of seeing folks fool themselves.

Do you only love folks when they speak gently to you or you love them even when they speak strongly from their hearts?
 
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Ariel82

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2 Timothy 3:16: New International Version (NIV)

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
1 Corinthians 13:1 ►
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If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal

Unless someone knows your love, your words call on deaf ears.
 

JohnTalmid

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Then what is "lawlessness" according to your interpretation. Wormwood is the curse too those who practice lawlessness in scripture. Wouldn't this be the curse spoken of by the apostolic writings?

When I take hold of the commandments I have joy that they are their for my correction. What do you rely on to find correction if not the writings and prophets, or the Torah of Elohim do you only make use of the renewed covenant writings? How do you accomplish this when the apostolic writings point to the Torah, Writings, and prophets?
 
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Ariel82

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Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you; rebuke the wise and they will love you.

Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still; teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding
Proverbs 26:5 ►
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Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.
 
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Ariel82

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Then what is "lawlessness" according to your interpretation. Wormwood is the curse too those who practice lawlessness in scripture. Wouldn't this be the curse spoken of by the apostolic writings?

When I take hold of the commandments I have joy that they are their for my correction. What do you rely on to find correction if not the writings and prophets, or the Torah of Elohim do you only make use of the renewed covenant writings? How do you accomplish this when the apostolic writings point to the Torah, Writings, and prophets?
God's Holy Spirit leads and guides not only my steps but my understanding of scripture.

Why don't you say Jesus?

Are you part of the Hebrew roots movement?
 
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limey410

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You talk about me as a work salvationist, when what you hate is non Osas.
You derive I must justify value from this so deny my beliefs. Are you able to accept
I believe like you except on this one point and it does not matter?

You seem to condemn me, and then deny it. So where is your honesty?

My question is if sin cannot and is not defeated, what is the point of faith but believing
God is blind? So sin is never resolved. Scripture is surprising about success but you seem
blind to it?
Sin and death have already been defeated. That is what our Lord and Savior did for us. Faith is believing that God did what He said He did. It is not defeated by you or I, our action or inaction. When you focus on God and His Glory and the life that can now be lived because of what He did, you will find peace and rest.
 
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Revelations 22:11: New International Version
Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy."

Awesome scripture out of context to prove an invalid point....the negative aspect is directed at the LOST...of the which I am not....

Is this how you handle most scripture....just yank one and hang your point on it?
 

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Your not my conscience nor my pastor or spiritual leader....so.......go bark up someone else's tree pal! AND you ASSUME much......
New International Version 1984 Titus 1:7-16 Since an overseer is entrusted with God’s work, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group. They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain. Even one of their own prophets has said, “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth. to the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
 
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2 Timothy 3:16: New International Version (NIV)

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Sure....when applied biblically and in context
 
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Ariel82

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Sure....when applied biblically and in context
Maybe he is just reminding himself?

One can hope, right?

My hope is that people apply scriptures to their logs and stop trying to pick out specks in others,
 

JohnTalmid

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God's Holy Spirit leads and guides not only my steps but my understanding of scripture.

Why don't you say Jesus?

Are you part of the Hebrew roots movement?
Why does it bother you I call Messiah Yahshua? It just means more to me. It literally means Yah Saves. Jesus if you are honest doesn't mean anything besides maybe Nashamesh. Use Jesus if you want I'm not gonna try to change your mind about this. It has no bearing on salvation.

What matters is that we worship YHWH in spirit and in truth.
 

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Your not my conscience nor my pastor or spiritual leader....so.......go bark up someone else's tree pal! AND you ASSUME much......
DC - Since you cannot know my motivations, let me tell you them: I think the world of you, that is why I love you enough to give you the Scriptures I've given from the intuition of my spirit. May God richly bless you!
 
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Ariel82

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Why does it bother you I call Messiah Yahshua? It just means more to me. It literally means Yah Saves. Jesus if you are honest doesn't mean anything besides maybe Nashamesh. Use Jesus if you want I'm not gonna try to change your mind about this. It has no bearing on salvation.
Doesn't bother me, just making the observation that you probably part of the Hebrew roots movement.

.when Jesus comes again, he will give us all new names and tell us his new name. So doesn't really bother me what people call Jesus.

.what bothers me is that you seem to be against teachings that state that salvation is by faith alone.

An error many Hebrew roots movements make because they attempt to enslave people to the law, the old feasts, etc.
 

JohnTalmid

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DC - Since you cannot know my motivations, let me tell you them: I think the world of you, that is why I love you enough to give you the Scriptures I've given from the intuition of my spirit. May God richly bless you!
Amen me too bri
 
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Maybe he is just reminding himself?

One can hope, right?

My hope is that people apply scriptures to their logs and stop trying to pick out specks in others,
Makes me think of the Pharisees and Sadducees and how they came out of the wood work to bum rush and gang up on Paul....funny how one assumes a posted verse out of context will cause one to be convicted....though all the workers for be gathered against me, accuse me, lie, embellish, attack, twist what I say and step into a situation they have no clue about...I will never buckle under nor surrender to their fallacies and or uncalled for diatribe...
 
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Ariel82

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DC - Since you cannot know my motivations, let me tell you them: I think the world of you, that is why I love you enough to give you the Scriptures I've given from the intuition of my spirit. May God richly bless you!
Yeah and what response were you seeking to get from him?

Even Satan can quote scriptures so unless you can tell him what you mean by posting them, you open it up for miscommunication and misunderstanding of your intent.

Your spirit told you, eh?
 
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DC - Since you cannot know my motivations, let me tell you them: I think the world of you, that is why I love you enough to give you the Scriptures I've given from the intuition of my spirit. May God richly bless you!

Do you think that maybe the same applies unto me as well?
 

JohnTalmid

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Doesn't bother me, just making the observation that you probably part of the Hebrew roots movement.

.when Jesus comes again, he will give us all new names and tell us his new name. So doesn't really bother me what people call Jesus.

.what bothers me is that you seem to be against teachings that state that salvation is by faith alone.

An error many Hebrew roots movements make because they attempt to enslave people to the law, the old feasts, etc.
There are some who do this however there are many more who keep them out of love for Messiah and God. I'm one of them and will Never deny Messiah or the Father after coming to the richness of the word and good works ordained for us to walk in,(by faith)
 
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Ariel82

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There are some who do this however there are many more who keep them out of love for Messiah and God. I'm one of them and will Never deny Messiah or the Father after coming to the richness of the word and good works ordained for us to walk in,(by faith)
And your judgement of those who chose NOT to keep the Jewish feasts and Sabbaths?