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You know, it is a sad day and a losing day for biblical Christianity when one cannot view God from the words he inspired about HIMSELF without being mouthed by one claiming to be saved........Why cannot we accept the INSPIRED WORDS of GOD and make our stance on EXACTLY WHAT THEY MEAN without SPIRITUALIZING them away into some idiotic box that fits one's own lack of understanding........!!
 
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I posted the following in another thread and got mouthed by one who stated that GOD did not create anything by speaking<--GOD said, LET there be and is WAS......I will go with the words God inspired to describe himself and his nature..........end of story....argue "is" and "in" after you thoroughly study each word and it's implication......


Do a study on "be" verbs which show a state of being........there is a very, very deep truth here that gets overlooked.....call to mind the following truths

And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.
His radiance is like the sunlight; He has rays flashing from His hand, And there is the hiding of His power.
In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength
At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

God is light.....

This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.

IS
eimi: I exist, I am
Original Word: εἰμί
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')
Short Definition: I am, exist
Definition: I am, exist

LIGHT
phós: light
Original Word: φῶς, φωτός, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: phós
Phonetic Spelling: (foce)
Short Definition: light, a source of light
Definition: light, a source of light, radiance.

I have done an intensive study of this because it is fascinating and very deep.......God dwells in light and in essence is "be verb" light and we know and understand that GOD is eternal....now this is where it gets really deep.....God is also SPIRIT........now the interesting points....

It is a proven fact that the faster one goes time slows and when one hits the speed of light times stops. God by his very nature of dwelling in light and being light means he dwells in a permanent state of eternity where time as we know it stops and ceases to be. We also know that ALL things physical are atomic in nature vibrating at their own frequencies......EVEN light is made of particles such as PHOTONS......In the flesh we cannot be where GOD dwells be God by his very nature and character dwells IN LIGHT <-do a study on the word "IN" Let me make it clear...GOD is not a created being, he IS and HAS always been, yet IMO after a very intensive study "partially shown above" He vibrates at his own frequency which is far above and beyond the atomic frequencies that humanity and creation vibrates at and exactly why we cannot be physically where God is at in this body....

There are numerous verses that allude to this and or that speak to the vibrations or quaking that is felt in God's presence.....do the study.....very deep and very interesting.......
 

TruthTalk

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I do not get it, Amen, John said "we can KNOW." How can ben then NOT KNOW?

I can only think of one reason. He has no faith in Gods Gospel. Or Christ.
"He has no faith in Gods Gospel. Or Christ." Yes I totally agree

Hi E-g, this speaks clearly about how much benhur "does not know", about the Attributes and Providence of the Sovereign God we worship. On the flip side benhur considers himself full of knowledge and understanding. His counterfeit gospel is terribly difficult to follow; unlike the Gospel of the Bible in which even a Child can understand.

Proverbs3:5
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;

God bless!
 

VCO

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She knows it. I think Satan is worse than you conceive. He knows he's lost but he's a Sociopath among other things. He wants the world to suffer with him. If he can't go to heaven. He'd rather take everyone to hell with him.

Yep, he wants to prove that all of creation is as bad as he is.
 

mailmandan

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m...,
John 2: 19 out of context.
That is your thought....there is no scripture which validates it.
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

Nothing in context negates my point.
 

mailmandan

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My friend, it does not say this at all.

James is statng a fact. Belief alone does nto save (even demons believe)

It takes a living faith to be saved (a faith not even the demons have, if they did, well I think yuo get the picture) Living faith ALWAYS produces wors, So if you CLAIM to have faith, But have no works, You are decieved, because your faith is dead (you never had faith to begin with)
Amen brother! In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no resulting evidential works (to substantiate his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.

*So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
 
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Thanks for saying that . Its an encouragement for me
Ive only been saved for 5 yrs , so Im not as mature as alot of you here , but I will keep swinging !
No problem at all...I really appreciate your stance for sure and the fact you defend the truth.....most people will not defend the truth and or make a stand on what they believe......unfortunately many push a false dogma of faith and works blended and twisted into a religious pretzel.........The bible is clear on what saves a man/woman eternally......faith period.....to blend works in any way, shape or form = false gospel, no power to save, double cursed and all who believe it are called fools and bewitched by Paul under inspiration....
 
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I was wondering when the workers for, Pharisees and Cainologists were going to come out with their own bible......notice the following possible embellishments based upon what they believe and their their own words....

For by self effort have you been saved through works, and that of yourselves, it is a debt owed and of works so that any man may boast

For by works of righteousness which we have done, and not according to his mercy has he saved us

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever works for him, should not perish, but have everlasting life as long as he keeps working.

He that worketh for the SON is having eternal life as long as he keeps working

He that works for the Son is not condemned, but is having everlasting life as long as he does many wonderful works

*DISCLAIMER* The above representations are not found in scripture and are the exact opposite of what the bible teaches and quite possibly represent the views of those who believe we must embellish faith with works to gain and or keep salvation/eternal life.