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I go to "Stralia" and on a very different time frame and you all burn my thread up with 4 or 5 pages a day....I come back and crickets HAHAH.............
 
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Hi VCO, many would agree this is nothing to joke about. Unless you and I are misunderstanding the intentions of the poster "theanointedsinner." and exactly to whom is his post directed to, it does not say.
His statement I believe was directed at the post about Satan......and his view of Satan's motive and desire.......
 

VCO

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His statement I believe was directed at the post about Satan......and his view of Satan's motive and desire.......
Yes, but if he had said, "He also would say . . . . . " then his quote, I wouldn't have batted an eye. Without that there, I had to make sure he KNOWS that Satan is a REAL THREAT. Remember not to long ago, we had one that did not agree that Satan was Real, because he thought it was JUST SYMBOLISM for EVIL.
 

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Tell the truth benhur

You say quote: "I teach people to be engaged in the work of Jesus Christ and to produce fruit for his kingdom?" Really, you teach people that if they do not produce fruit, God will, "cut them off", from the vine."

Why do you try to hide the fact that you believe a Born Again Christian will, "lose his Eternal Salvation", if he does not perform and produce fruit.

Producing fruit/works is evidence that they are Christian, it does not keep them saved You are not being truthful and you are hiding your true agenda. Why do you hide what you really mean.
I wonder WHY did GOD waist his Breath on inspiring this verse:

1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (NKJV)
12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
 

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Hi VCO, you should give this scripture to benhur and he should use this verse on his signature. God will never lose one of His Children "Not One"

1Corinthians3:15
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"If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; "but he himself will be saved", yet so as through fire."
 
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Yes, but if he had said, "He also would say . . . . . " then his quote, I wouldn't have batted an eye. Without that there, I had to make sure he KNOWS that Satan is a REAL THREAT. Remember not to long ago, we had one that did not agree that Satan was Real, because he thought it was JUST SYMBOLISM for EVIL.
I figure Peter's statement about Satan as a roaring lion walking abut seeking whom he may devour is clear......
 
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Really, to put it into simple terms and context, the teaching that claims we have to work to stay saved is not only straight out of the pit, but insults the work of Christ on the cross. And God's sovereign grace.
Thinking a self professed Christian has to work to stay in God's good graces and remain saved is narcissism. And a characteristic of selfishness.
Living to go to work every day with the idea those efforts keep that worker in grace is that which keeps that workers mind on self. And reward for self. And it therein distracts from where an actual Christian's focus is meant to be. On God and his will for those in his church, the body that are the actual grace blessed holy spirit filled individual Christians in community. Serving God's purpose for each and every one of them individually as servants of God in this world where the evil one controls the fallen.
And for sure I think 3664 pages in this thread arguing back and forth about what is crystal clear in Christ's death on the cross proves that. The worldly self-absorbed narcissism spirit cannot accept what is sacred and holy and absolute in God's breath. Because such persons demonstrate what God's breath (the scriptures) forewarn.
The things of the spirit cannot be comprehended by those who are not in the spirit.
That's why those absorbed in their attentions by that which gratifies the flesh, the idol of self, insist they and their committed fleshly, thought filled, efforts and arguments make for God keeping his irrevocable promise of eternal life and salvation in him.
That ideology isn't capable of letting go and trusting God. Self is thought to work in concert with God to keep God's promise.
That's not what Immanuel Jesus died for.

And if 3664 pages don't prove that which is in covenant with that fleshly delusion shall never be swayed by the spirit of the word they clearly do not comprehend, what will 3664 pages more do to change that? We don't save ourselves. We certainly won't persuade worshipers of the flesh to change their focus when no one comes to the father but he calls them. Meaning, we have nothing to do with that. And we certainly can have nothing to do with turning flesh idolaters away from their mirror arguing page after page against that works saves teaching that is unbiblical from the first word of it.

We're trying to argue the devils doctrine into the Lord's grace? Really? 3664 pages and months later how's that working out? Has any flesh idolater, works saves, promoter changed their mind here?

No?
Why is that?
Because GOD SAVES!
People don't talk the fallen into salvation.
 
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I figure Peter's statement about Satan as a roaring lion walking abut seeking whom he may devour is clear......
Sure is. And every time a works saves defender defends that false doctrine we can hear that lion burp for having consumed one more. Because he's a glutton. And the works saves community of flesh idolaters is an all he can eat buffet.

Quick, hide the Rolaids! Watch him suffer. ;)
It should feast with background music. You know, like that which plays in some restaurants? "Grace saves not work! Grace saves not work. Grace saves not work."

Our good works, good fruit, is produced because the grace blessed holy spirit filled Christian lives in God blessed fertile soil that nourishes and feeds their openness and desire to follow God's directives in this world. Our working in the spirit is because we are filled with the spirit. Not because we think that's the toll we have to pay to stay there till we die and find out if we worked hard enough to be let past the gate.
 
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Really, to put it into simple terms and context, the teaching that claims we have to work to stay saved is not only straight out of the pit, but insults the work of Christ on the cross. And God's sovereign grace.
Thinking a self professed Christian has to work to stay in God's good graces and remain saved is narcissism. And a characteristic of selfishness.
Living to go to work every day with the idea those efforts keep that worker in grace is that which keeps that workers mind on self. And reward for self. And it therein distracts from where an actual Christian's focus is meant to be. On God and his will for those in his church, the body that are the actual grace blessed holy spirit filled individual Christians in community. Serving God's purpose for each and every one of them individually as servants of God in this world where the evil one controls the fallen.
And for sure I think 3664 pages in this thread arguing back and forth about what is crystal clear in Christ's death on the cross proves that. The worldly self-absorbed narcissism spirit cannot accept what is sacred and holy and absolute in God's breath. Because such persons demonstrate what God's breath (the scriptures) forewarn.
The things of the spirit cannot be comprehended by those who are not in the spirit.
That's why those absorbed in their attentions by that which gratifies the flesh, the idol of self, insist they and their committed fleshly, thought filled, efforts and arguments make for God keeping his irrevocable promise of eternal life and salvation in him.
That ideology isn't capable of letting go and trusting God. Self is thought to work in concert with God to keep God's promise.
That's not what Immanuel Jesus died for.

And if 3664 pages don't prove that which is in covenant with that fleshly delusion shall never be swayed by the spirit of the word they clearly do not comprehend, what will 3664 pages more do to change that? We don't save ourselves. We certainly won't persuade worshipers of the flesh to change their focus when no one comes to the father but he calls them. Meaning, we have nothing to do with that. And we certainly can have nothing to do with turning flesh idolaters away from their mirror arguing page after page against that works saves teaching that is unbiblical from the first word of it.

We're trying to argue the devils doctrine into the Lord's grace? Really? 3664 pages and months later how's that working out? Has any flesh idolater, works saves, promoter changed their mind here?

No?
Why is that?
Because GOD SAVES!
People don't talk the fallen into salvation.
I will continue to swing the sword on this issue until hell freezes over and the gates of hell are welded shut.....which will never happen....as far as it swaying one's view....I have had numerous people come on line with the truth because of this thread and my incessant posting in it defending the truth.....some have stated it openly and some have messaged me behind the scenes.......thanks for your input migo
 
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I will continue to swing the sword on this issue until hell freezes over and the gates of hell are welded shut.....which will never happen....as far as it swaying one's view....I have had numerous people come on line with the truth because of this thread and my incessant posting in it defending the truth.....some have stated it openly and some have messaged me behind the scenes.......thanks for your input migo
That's the other characteristic of works salvation. Pride.
 
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That's the other characteristic of works salvation. Pride.
Who are you talking about.....if you think I teach a working for Cainologist salvation you have not read the thread and why would you make that comment about pride in response to what I posted.....????