Not By Works

[50c1al1]

Works?....physically doing "good deeds"? I can worship the devil and accomplish this.
How can feeding the poor glorify God to someone when they are not aware of your faith? Are we not only following commandments? Is it not our duty to do good to all that lives?
Good works are justified to be "good" only by God, for it is God alone who justifies and condemns.
Are we not justified by our God givevn faith? Isn't our every action fueled by our hearts desires?
If we do physical actions to obtain righteousness then the death of Christ was not the finished work of God for our salvation.
Our "deeds" can only be righteous and good by faith in Christ out of a God given divine love because he first loved us, and to me that means that if he loves me and has the power to entirely save my soul period then he will. It is God alone who justified us through the blood of Christ.
So it's our faith in Christ that justifies us. When christ was asked what shall we do to do the works of God he replied "believe on he whom he sent."
Believe what? That he was god? That he was sent to teach a few more spiritually edifying things in parables then be slaughtered only to leave the father looking down biting his nails hoping enough of the evil people will believe to justify the slaughter of hid son? Well, that's not the god I worship.
The God I worship made many promises that I believe through the spirit of truth. He promised his sons and daughters redemptionand eternal life through christ, and christ alone. It's not christ plus whatever you add, no Christ alone.
So if you don't believe that christ is the 100% full redemption for the children of God, and more needs to be accomplished to complete it, then you do not really know or believe in the christ who the father sent. BEHOLD! THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKETH AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD (but only if this or that happens to conspire or be completed by a creation that holds the uncircumcised heart which "is evil above all things")
You can only love and believe in the truth by it being revealed by the Spirit of truth, which will cause you to proclaim with your mouth Jesus is the king of kings and kord of lords and he holds that position with awesomeness because you believe in your heart through the spirit that there is no shadow of doubt that God raised him from the dead for the salvation of my filthy, filthy soul, and I love him and am very grateful and humbled for and by that.
ONLY WHEN ONE LIES FALLEN IN THE DUST IN COMPLETE HUMILITY CAN THEY SEE CLEARLY THAT THE FALLEN STATE OF MANKIND IS NOT PRIMARILY IN NEED OF AN EXAMPLE, BUT A SAVIOR.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you'll want to look up "kenosis"
and maybe have a handle on "Pelagianism"

also look up armstrongism .

I can just look at what he said, If he believes what he said is true, He literally said Jesus was God before he came to earth. I am not gonna judge him based on what other people think. We have to. Many people doing this.

If you know what they belioeve, question him on those principles. I will look for the answers. I woudl have no idea how to question him because I never heard of those views.

 

[dcontroversal]

Let us HUMBLY accept the WORD that is PLANTED in our hearts. We should repent and obey them.

“To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

If we love Him we will obey His commands. What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Anyone who claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. He set an example that we should do. Though He was the Son of God, He learned obedience from what He suffered and became the source of eternal salvation for those who obey Him. But the world must learn that He love the Father and that He does exactly what His Father has commanded Him.

Rejecting the Law and commandments of God unto salvation is a clear disobedience to God which only means that you don't LOVE God and if you don't LOVE God, it certainly mean that you hate Him.

Eve got DECEIVED by the evil one when she believed the serpent and disobeyed God's commands.

Disobedience separates us from God and the penalty is death. As the Aposrle Paul said;

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Ephesians 5:6

We love because he first loved us. 20 If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21 And he has given us this command:Whoever loves God must also love his brother. 1john 4:19-21

This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. (justification)And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. (obedience) 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18 Dear children,let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. 1 john 3:16-18

Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins. James 4:17

More drivel.....sorry...scripture out of context to prove a point that is not there is not going to fly with me.......your view above rejects, and denies many biblical truths applied unto those who are actually saved, take numerous verses out of context to peddle a salvation that can be lost or maintained by your own effort, denies the powers and promises of Christ and devalues the very verses I used in my OP.........too be frank, your view is exactly what the "plenteous in number" group peddles, embraces and spews.....LORD, LORD have we not done MANY wonderful works in YOUR NAME.....

a. They claim JESUS as LORD as YOU DO
b. You fully expect to maintain your salvation and enter the kingdom based upon what you have done

You are also CONFLATING justification with ongoing sanctification while ignoring the biblical proof that LOVING God is a process of growth and maturity subject to successes and failure......

NO thanks to your religionism......I will take grace through faith = eternal life, justification, salvation, sanctified positionally and sealed UNTO the day of redemption while being saved to the UTTERMOST by incorruptible seed and KEPT by the power of GOD through said faith.

 

[dcontroversal]

Okay.

Where did Jesus preach the death burial and resurrection of Jesus?

Either you are being facetious or joking, because if you seriously don't know this or where this is found I suggest you pick up a bible and read the gospels about 10 times.......

 

[dcontroversal]

YES, that is actually what the Winning Athlete of Paul's day did. They would walk over to their KING seated front and center in the arena, Bow or Kneel, as he took off the Crown, and say: "I won this for you my King!"

Ours may be GOLD, because of this verse:

1 Corinthians 9:25 (CSBBible)
25 Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything. They do it to receive a perishable crown,
but we an imperishable crown.

AMEN...Paul taught to run the race to WIN the crown....NOT salvation which was the one true ticket into the race and kingdom of GOD..........eternally I might add....

 

[Studyman]

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding."
Proverbs9:10​

Studyman please, It s because of your fake gospel that people do not answer your questions it is not because they are using a tactic of deflection. It is statements like this, "I believe I shall be saved" that people shut you off. You are pushing a fake gospel that has no resemblance of the Gospel of Salvation in the bible.

I believe I am being saved, not that I am already immortal. I believe this not because you or the Pope says so, or some religious franchise owner says so, but because the Word of God says so.

Matt. 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity (Lawlessness) shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Luke 13:
23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.

Acts 15:
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Acts 16:
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Rom. 5:
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom. 8:
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Rom. 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1 Cor. 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

1 Cor. 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Eph. 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

1 Tim. 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1 Pet. 4:
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Your gospel condemns and ridicules anyone who would believe these Words. According to the Christ I am blessed by your scorn.

True believers and followers of Jesus Christ have "Eternity set in their Heart" and put their by their Creator which is an attribute of God. Frankly nobody cares or believes what you say and they are not willing to go point to point with you in a debate because you are so off the gospel truth.

Ecc. 3:10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.
11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

12 I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.

Must your religion re-write Ecclesiastes as well and the Word's of Christ?

Ecc. 12:
12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[dcontroversal]

There are some branches off of it today that attempt to appear "more christian" but I can't recall the name. Someone on here was part of the group iirc.

I know who you are talking about...he has me on ignore because I do not put up with his self saving I keep my self saved drivel.......

 

[preacher4truth]

I know who you are talking about...he has me on ignore because I do not put up with his self saving I keep my self saved drivel.......

PM me who that was as I forget.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Afternoon all...

And the Word of our Almighty God says in Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: \/...xox...

 

[dcontroversal]

Afternoon all...

And the Word of our Almighty God says in Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: \/...xox...

AMEN Rose and NOTICE the word WILL.....not MIGHT or possibly could...etc.....WILL PERFORM........HE WILL finish the work of faith he began in us and UPHOLDS ALL THINGS by the word of HIS POWER........If salvation can be lost JESUS/God LIED......<---SEE DISCLAIMER BELOW

DISCLAIMER.........JESUS/GOD have NEVER LIED nor WILL they EVER......THEY KEEP THEIR word and PROMISES and exactly why the irrevocable GIFT of LIFE and FAITH which we are GIVEN ARE ETERNAL......

 

[Rosemaryx]

AMEN Rose and NOTICE the word WILL.....not MIGHT or possibly could...etc.....WILL PERFORM........HE WILL finish the work of faith he began in us and UPHOLDS ALL THINGS by the word of HIS POWER........If salvation can be lost JESUS/God LIED......<---SEE DISCLAIMER BELOW

DISCLAIMER.........JESUS/GOD have NEVER LIED nor WILL they EVER......THEY KEEP THEIR word and PROMISES and exactly why the irrevocable GIFT of LIFE and FAITH which we are GIVEN ARE ETERNAL......

The Book of Ephesians is wonderful , as all the books , but this one is clear as daylight...
As I read , I know that God the Father sent His Son who sent us the Holy Spirit , so beautiful...
In Ephesians 2:18 , we are told that through the Holy Spirit we have access to God , because we are saved by Grace through faith , not by ourselves , but by His wonderful gift Ephesians 2:8...
Loving how the Scriptures roll together when taken in the right context , we can go boldly to the Throne of God , those who have built their foundation on the Rock , but those who are building on sand will sink...Thank You Lord Jesus for all You have done and keep doing for those who are in You LORD...xox...

 

[Studyman]

I can just look at what he said, If he believes what he said is true, He literally said Jesus was God before he came to earth. I am not gonna judge him based on what other people think. We have to. Many people doing this.

If you know what they belioeve, question him on those principles. I will look for the answers. I woudl have no idea how to question him because I never heard of those views.

Thanks EG.

But really, think about it. Everyone is born into a religion. Abraham was told to leave his family's religion. Even Caleb had to deal with the religious influence of the majority. God's true Word was foreign to them at first too. "unto a land that I will shew thee:"

Imagine being a Jew in Christ's time. They had all this tradition, History as God's people. They had worshipped a certain way for centuries. Yes, there were small differences between sects of the religion, but they all pretty much worshipped the same way for centuries, listening to and believing Jewish Bible scholars who had studied the Book for years. They were all convinced they were on the path to eternity as is every religion person on the planet, now and then. Yet when the Man Jesus came to them and taught from their own Book, it was foreign to them.

Now God could have come down in Fire and scared these people into obedience any time He wanted. He could have come Himself, but He didn't. He sent Abel, and Joshua, and Moses, and Jeremiah, and Isaiah, even an Ass, to warn them to listen to God and not man.

I have pondered this myself and from my experience think I know the answer. Pride of man is the reason God sent men who are lessor in THEIR sight.

So when God did come to them, how did He come? In all His Glory and Might with His Legions of Angels with their Sword's? No EG! Was He going to warn or treat those people any differently than He treated the others? No, God is no respecter of persons.

So He became a human. Not an extraordinary human. He wasn't special in any way. A poor blue collar worker, not pretty, or special in any way other than His understanding of Scripture.

So here comes this very common man, a Jew, who starts showing them the issues God has with their religion. And they responded the exact same way they responded to Jeremiah, to Caleb. And He showed them great miracles, like Moses did, and Joshua. But They judged Him as wicked, hated Him in their heart, not because He taught against the Word of God, but because He exposed their religion as from man and not from God, and brought their true heart to the Light.

So I believe everyone has an opportunity to see the difference between the religion they were born into, ( the serpent, you shall surely not die) and God's Salvation plan called the Gospel of God, and also the Gospel of Christ, who is the Word of God which became Flesh. (showing mercy unto thousands who love Me and keep My commandments) And we all make the choice between them and are judged by that choice..

And when they hear it, it's not going to be from some millionaire preacher in $2,000.00 shoes on a TV station that promotes sin, or from the Almighty God who comes in Fire and Power.

It's going to be from someone that you will look down on with disrespect. Someone whose speech is off a little, who has an infirmity, or a simple carpenter. God does this so it isn't the "person" that you believe in, it's the Word's of God that this "person" is showing you. As Jesus said:

John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

And also to humble us to "live by Every Word of God" no matter who is showing us.

So don't listen to me EG. Listen to "ALL" the Word's of God. Ask the hard questions.

Why is this image of God in the likeness of some long haired men's hair shampoo model, known world wide as the Christian God, when you and I both know it is not? Why do the religions of the world reject the Law and Prophets as "the old covenant", when the Christ of the Bible teaches no such thing. And on and on and on.

Then listen to the examples He had written for your admonition and see that it has always been the religions of the world who called the God of Abraham their God, which have snared God's people, and that is why He says "Come out of her My People". And suffer the humiliation of repentance and the knowledge that we believed lies about God's for so long, as Paul was humiliated. Let His Word crush our pride and create a contrite heart in us that can receive Him and His Word.

20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Very difficult and narrow path to follow especially if a man is already convinced he is immortal.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

We are saved by works...the works of Christ.

 

[TruthTalk]

"I believe I am being saved", not that I am already immortal. I believe this not because you or the Pope says so, or some religious franchise owner says so, but because the Word of God says so.

Studyman do you believe this, the bible say's it is true.
Epheasians2:6

"And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,"​

It is true God has made everything beautiful in its time and "He has set eternity in our hearts." I believe God raised us up with Christ and 'we are seated with him in heavenly places' in Christ. This has already happened to true believers when we are saved, but 'the fullness' of this promise will be when we receive the redemption of our bodies. Rom8:23

True believers are standing on the Rock and cannot be moved and we eagerly wait for the fullness of God's promise. We are saved eternally the moment we believe and eagerly wait for the fullness of God's promise.

You on the other hand are 'standing on shifting sand' and will "die in your sins" unless you repent and go the way of 'God's plan of salvation' not man's; "salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, Ephesians2:8,9

Romans8:23
Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.

Ecclesiastes3:11
"He has made everything beautiful in its time.' He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet 'no one' can fathom what God has done from 'beginning to end."

Doxology:
33) Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and i knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34) “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35) “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36) For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

 

[gb9]

Thanks EG.

But really, think about it. Everyone is born into a religion. Abraham was told to leave his family's religion. Even Caleb had to deal with the religious influence of the majority. God's true Word was foreign to them at first too. "unto a land that I will shew thee:"

Imagine being a Jew in Christ's time. They had all this tradition, History as God's people. They had worshipped a certain way for centuries. Yes, there were small differences between sects of the religion, but they all pretty much worshipped the same way for centuries, listening to and believing Jewish Bible scholars who had studied the Book for years. They were all convinced they were on the path to eternity as is every religion person on the planet, now and then. Yet when the Man Jesus came to them and taught from their own Book, it was foreign to them.

Now God could have come down in Fire and scared these people into obedience any time He wanted. He could have come Himself, but He didn't. He sent Abel, and Joshua, and Moses, and Jeremiah, and Isaiah, even an Ass, to warn them to listen to God and not man.

I have pondered this myself and from my experience think I know the answer. Pride of man is the reason God sent men who are lessor in THEIR sight.

So when God did come to them, how did He come? In all His Glory and Might with His Legions of Angels with their Sword's? No EG! Was He going to warn or treat those people any differently than He treated the others? No, God is no respecter of persons.

So He became a human. Not an extraordinary human. He wasn't special in any way. A poor blue collar worker, not pretty, or special in any way other than His understanding of Scripture.

So here comes this very common man, a Jew, who starts showing them the issues God has with their religion. And they responded the exact same way they responded to Jeremiah, to Caleb. And He showed them great miracles, like Moses did, and Joshua. But They judged Him as wicked, hated Him in their heart, not because He taught against the Word of God, but because He exposed their religion as from man and not from God, and brought their true heart to the Light.

So I believe everyone has an opportunity to see the difference between the religion they were born into, ( the serpent, you shall surely not die) and God's Salvation plan called the Gospel of God, and also the Gospel of Christ, who is the Word of God which became Flesh. (showing mercy unto thousands who love Me and keep My commandments) And we all make the choice between them and are judged by that choice..

And when they hear it, it's not going to be from some millionaire preacher in $2,000.00 shoes on a TV station that promotes sin, or from the Almighty God who comes in Fire and Power.

It's going to be from someone that you will look down on with disrespect. Someone whose speech is off a little, who has an infirmity, or a simple carpenter. God does this so it isn't the "person" that you believe in, it's the Word's of God that this "person" is showing you. As Jesus said:

John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

And also to humble us to "live by Every Word of God" no matter who is showing us.

So don't listen to me EG. Listen to "ALL" the Word's of God. Ask the hard questions.

Why is this image of God in the likeness of some long haired men's hair shampoo model, known world wide as the Christian God, when you and I both know it is not? Why do the religions of the world reject the Law and Prophets as "the old covenant", when the Christ of the Bible teaches no such thing. And on and on and on.

Then listen to the examples He had written for your admonition and see that it has always been the religions of the world who called the God of Abraham their God, which have snared God's people, and that is why He says "Come out of her My People". And suffer the humiliation of repentance and the knowledge that we believed lies about God's for so long, as Paul was humiliated. Let His Word crush our pride and create a contrite heart in us that can receive Him and His Word.

20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Very difficult and narrow path to follow especially if a man is already convinced he is immortal.

this is what I mean- this is a very sincere , truthful sounding piece of propaganda. propaganda.

this is someone who is offering another way. because, their is one way to the Kingdom. belief and faith in Jesus ,

not command keeping. not Sabbath keeping. trust and faith in a risen Savior.

so, don't fall for it.

and, in case you have forgotten studayman, I read the Bible through myself, several times before I went to a church.

the pope, benny hinn, jimmy swaggart , joel osteen, billy graham, none of these had anything to do with my beliefs.

I know what the Bible says. I know what it does not say.

your " theology " only works if you control the conversation. this is why you will answer questions you do not want to, while at the same time accusing others of not answering yours. control.

this is why you will not address certain Scripture. I have pointed out what God the Father said of the Son on the mount of transfiguration over a dozen times. silence from you. the last verses of Leviticus 26. silence from you.

why? because it wrecks your theology.

so, go ahead and spread you well-made propaganda, use control and argument tactics and tell yourself that any who disagree are deceived.

I will proclaim the Gospel- believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,. and you will be saved.

 

[garee]

If we love Him we will obey His commands. What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Anyone who claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. He set an example that we should do. Though He was the Son of God, He learned obedience from what He suffered and became the source of eternal salvation for those who obey Him. But the world must learn that He love the Father and that He does exactly what His Father has commanded Him.

The word "keep" from my experience is what divides. To keep as the scripture defines the word is to guard closely with all our heart and new soul. And not keep perfectly as only Christ in the Son of man could. To violate the least is to be found guilty for the whole .The wage of sin remains constant .Some sects divide that and make one venial the other mortal .

If we love Him we will obey His commands and when we deny Him he will calls us back turning us toward Him so that we then can repent .In all cases he must do the first works.

There would appear to be two classes of people. Those who do crucify Christ over and over to public shame every time they deny Christ and those as the better things that accompany salvation, believe one demonstration of the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world, is all that is needed.

If Christ has begun the good work of salvation in us He will finish it to the end .We are to put no confidence in our flesh .

 

[TruthTalk]

this is what I mean- this is a very sincere , truthful sounding piece of propaganda. propaganda.

this is someone who is offering another way. because, their is one way to the Kingdom. belief and faith in Jesus ,

not command keeping. not Sabbath keeping. trust and faith in a risen Savior.

so, don't fall for it.

and, in case you have forgotten studayman, I read the Bible through myself, several times before I went to a church.

the pope, benny hinn, jimmy swaggart , joel osteen, billy graham, none of these had anything to do with my beliefs.

I know what the Bible says. I know what it does not say.

your " theology " only works if you control the conversation. this is why you will answer questions you do not want to, while at the same time accusing others of not answering yours. control.

this is why you will not address certain Scripture. I have pointed out what God the Father said of the Son on the mount of transfiguration over a dozen times. silence from you. the last verses of Leviticus 26. silence from you.

why? because it wrecks your theology.

so, go ahead and spread you well-made propaganda, use control and argument tactics and tell yourself that any who disagree are deceived.

I will proclaim the Gospel- believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,. and you will be saved.

Quote gb9:

"I will proclaim the Gospel- "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,. and you will be saved."
Acts16:31​

Hi gb9, your post deserves to be repeated over and over and any Christian who gets caught into Studyman's web of lies needs a new pair of spiritual glasses. Studyman will use compliments like an (at-a-boy), to set his lure and any other propaganda tricks he has to get the naive young believer hooked.

It isn't any wonder that a counterfeit looks like 'the real McCoy' otherwise the inexperienced believer would see the fake gospel and walk away.

Amen gb9 and keep preaching the Gospel.
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Quote gb9 said,
"I know what the Bible says. I know what it does not say.

your " theology " only works if you control the conversation. this is why you will answer questions you do not want to, while at the same time accusing others of not answering yours. control.

this is why you will not address certain Scripture. I have pointed out what God the Father said of the Son on the mount of transfiguration over a dozen times. silence from you. the last verses of Leviticus 26. silence from you.

why? because it wrecks your theology.

so, go ahead and spread your well-made propaganda, use control and argument tactics and tell yourself that any who disagree are deceived.

"I will proclaim the Gospel - "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,. and you will be saved."

 

[Studyman]

this is what I mean- this is a very sincere , truthful sounding piece of propaganda. propaganda.

this is someone who is offering another way. because, their is one way to the Kingdom. belief and faith in Jesus ,

not command keeping. not Sabbath keeping. trust and faith in a risen Savior.

so, don't fall for it.

and, in case you have forgotten studayman, I read the Bible through myself, several times before I went to a church.

the pope, benny hinn, jimmy swaggart , joel osteen, billy graham, none of these had anything to do with my beliefs.

I know what the Bible says. I know what it does not say.

your " theology " only works if you control the conversation. this is why you will answer questions you do not want to, while at the same time accusing others of not answering yours. control.

this is why you will not address certain Scripture. I have pointed out what God the Father said of the Son on the mount of transfiguration over a dozen times. silence from you. the last verses of Leviticus 26. silence from you.

why? because it wrecks your theology.

so, go ahead and spread you well-made propaganda, use control and argument tactics and tell yourself that any who disagree are deceived.

I will proclaim the Gospel- believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,. and you will be saved.

And yet you preach the Pharisees were trying to "earn" Salvation by obeying God, just the exact opposite of what the Christ of the Bible teaches.

You also don't believe in the Christ of the Bible who Declared who the Pharisees true father was.

And when you were shown your error, you ridicule and mock the ones that have shown you.

So you can try and make this about me to hide your unbelief if you choose. But if a nobody like me can see it, I'm sure the Christ, whose Word's you preach against, can see it too.

 

[Ariel82]

Okay.

Where did Jesus preach the death burial and resurrection of Jesus?

When He spoke through the prophets....do you really want to go through all the scriptures?

 

[Ariel82]

Matthew 17

22And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: 23And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.

Mark 9:30-32)