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I don't have a set belief on this but was thinking this. Have you ever done studies on the word "air" as in caught up in the air? Also, as a thief in the night. Night...means several things in Hebrew so it could be helpful to study this word out too. Thief is evident.

I think I will look at this. :)
Welcome stonesoffire, :)
 

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Mr. VCO, what is it like when God speaks to you?

Most of the time, it is like he SPEAKS through the WORD. I read something in the BIBLE, and the Holy Spirit tells me to BACK UP AND READ IT AGAIN. When I do, I get a DEEPER, FULLY understanding than I had ever had before. Occasionally GOD the HOLY SPIRIT speaks through GODLY THOUGHTS, trying to WAKE ME UP to THOUGHTS of what HE WANTS ME TO DO, or a Deeper, Fuller understanding that I have read in the past. That HAPPENS more often than not, as my Human Spirit is awake, before my Body is ready to get up, therefore there is NO INTERFERENCE from my mind of the flesh. We can have those godly thoughts without interruption that way. One of my favorite, is when HE PUTS music in my head, which happens when I listen to a GOSPEL Music before going to Bed, and then I hear that Gospel Song playing in my head, and that is the most beautiful way to wake up my body.

The first time that I realized GOD could communicate with me through thoughts, was SHORTLY after I was Born Again. He kept putting the Conviction on my Heart that I should quit smoking cigarettes, and I kept arguing with HIM, "Why should I quit, as long as I enjoy it." So one morning I woke up as usual, I reached for the cigarettes while sitting on the edge of the bed. Took that first PUFF, and IT TASTED HORRIBLE. Then the Voice in my head said, "WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE NOW, DUMMY!" That was the last cigarette that I ever had.

I have heard the Audible Voice of GOD on Two separate occasions in my life. On both occasions my muscles reacted involuntarily to OBEY HIM.

The first time was when my WIFE became addicted to pain pills. Her Mother came to stay with us at that time, and she had a Habit of getting down on her knees and Praying for her Daughter. One morning my wife caught her mother on her KNEES praying for her by the couch. Something in my wife broke, and she was on her knees begging the LORD TO TAKE THE ADDICTION away from her. I MEAN COLD TURKEY, HE REALLY TOOK IT AWAY FROM HER. She had been taking a lethal doze that she built her system to tolerate it, down to NOTHING with NO WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS.

So her Doctor had her Scheduled for a non-Christian REHAB CENTER, so we what to explain it to him that she did not need it any longer. I told him that SHE was Healed in answer to Payer. He glared at me, "I know how much she was taking and if you believe that you are either a fool or a liar." And I thought, he surely is not a Christian. So she had to go to the non-Christian Rehab Center. That first few days the called me several times, crying that they were trying to get her to doubt her faith. On the forth day they called me in for a joint counseling session. They could not wait to get us in the hot seat. I noticed that ONE of the two Counselors was a guy that attended the Same Church as I did. They instantly started to RIDICULE OUR FAITH THAT SHE WAS HEALED IN ANSWER TO PRAYER. The lady counselor, said something like, "You do not need Jesus, but WHAT YOU REALLY NEED IS US and THE SUPPORT GROUP YOU HAVE HERE."

INSTANTLY CAME A BOOMING VOICE FROM HEAVEN, "WALK!"

I mean my chair was so electrified, that my leg muscles were instantly standing, ready to move out. I looked over to my wife and she was Standing also. I asked, "Are you Ready!" And she said "YES". And I noticed that no one else HEARD THE VOICE. My wife went Out the door and I stopped right beside John, the counselor from my Church. I pointed my finger at him, and said, "John, you and I were raised in the same Church, BUT I SERIOUSLY DOUBT YOUR FAITH. I will pray for you." And as I turned to the others, I pointed past the lady Counselor, to the entire group, turning in a circle left to right, and said: "I will pray for you all too."

We went to her room, gathered her belongings, and out the door without, saying a word. As I came out the front door, I noticed that I had a Flat Tire on my JEEP, when I wanted to get away from that place as soon as Possible. So I busied myself with putting the spare tire on, and Just as I was tightening the last lug nut, my wife came up behind me. So I asked "Did you HEAR anything in THERE?" She said, "Just one word, 'WALK!'" So I said, "THAT'S IT! We are out of here."

The Second Time that I HEARD HIS VOICE, HE actually scared me, because it was so SUDDEN AND UNEXPECTED.

It was about 10 or 12 Years later, and by that time we had move to Crescent City, California, and I was on the way back to Nebraska by myself, to pick up 3 of the Grandchildren to bring them out for a Vacation. The first night, I spent the Night in a Motel, in ELKO, NV. After breakfast, I was turning onto the Interstate On Ramp, and I noticed a hitch hiker quite a ways up the ramp. I was not going to pick him up, so I was accelerating to INTERSTATE SPEED, moving left, as I approached him, I noticed I was doing 65 m.p.h. SUDDENLY GOD YELLED AT ME, IN THAT SAME BOOMING VOICE: "PICK HIM UP!" AGAIN, my muscles reacted involuntarily, I WAS JAMMING ON THE BREAKS, WITH ALL FOUR WHEELS SLIDING TO THE EDGE OF THE ROAD. He was coming running to my car, and he opened the door to my Car, and asked, "Are you giving me a ride." I was still SHAKING FROM WHAT HAD JUST HAPPENED, so I said: "YEAH, you get in the Car, because GOD JUST TOLD ME TO PICK YOU UP!" To make a long story short, I was to lead that young man to the LORD that day.
 

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Most of the time, it is like he SPEAKS through the WORD. I read something in the BIBLE, and the Holy Spirit tells me to BACK UP AND READ IT AGAIN. When I do, I get a DEEPER, FULLY understanding than I had ever had before. Occasionally GOD the HOLY SPIRIT speaks through GODLY THOUGHTS, trying to WAKE ME UP to THOUGHTS of what HE WANTS ME TO DO, or a Deeper, Fuller understanding that I have read in the past. That HAPPENS more often than not, as my Human Spirit is awake, before my Body is ready to get up, therefore there is NO INTERFERENCE from my mind of the flesh. We can have those godly thoughts without interruption that way. One of my favorite, is when HE PUTS music in my head, which happens when I listen to a GOSPEL Music before going to Bed, and then I hear that Gospel Song playing in my head, and that is the most beautiful way to wake up my body.

The first time that I realized GOD could communicate with me through thoughts, was SHORTLY after I was Born Again. He kept putting the Conviction on my Heart that I should quit smoking cigarettes, and I kept arguing with HIM, "Why should I quit, as long as I enjoy it." So one morning I woke up as usual, I reached for the cigarettes while sitting on the edge of the bed. Took that first PUFF, and IT TASTED HORRIBLE. Then the Voice in my head said, "WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE NOW, DUMMY!" That was the last cigarette that I ever had.

I have heard the Audible Voice of GOD on Two separate occasions in my life. On both occasions my muscles reacted involuntarily to OBEY HIM.

The first time was when my WIFE became addicted to pain pills. Her Mother came to stay with us at that time, and she had a Habit of getting down on her knees and Praying for her Daughter. One morning my wife caught her mother on her KNEES praying for her by the couch. Something in my wife broke, and she was on her knees begging the LORD TO TAKE THE ADDICTION away from her. I MEAN COLD TURKEY, HE REALLY TOOK IT AWAY FROM HER. She had been taking a lethal doze that she built her system to tolerate it, down to NOTHING with NO WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS.

So her Doctor had her Scheduled for a non-Christian REHAB CENTER, so we what to explain it to him that she did not need it any longer. I told him that SHE was Healed in answer to Payer. He glared at me, "I know how much she was taking and if you believe that you are either a fool or a liar." And I thought, he surely is not a Christian. So she had to go to the non-Christian Rehab Center. That first few days the called me several times, crying that they were trying to get her to doubt her faith. On the forth day they called me in for a joint counseling session. They could not wait to get us in the hot seat. I noticed that ONE of the two Counselors was a guy that attended the Same Church as I did. They instantly started to RIDICULE OUR FAITH THAT SHE WAS HEALED IN ANSWER TO PRAYER. The lady counselor, said something like, "You do not need Jesus, but WHAT YOU REALLY NEED IS US and THE SUPPORT GROUP YOU HAVE HERE."

INSTANTLY CAME A BOOMING VOICE FROM HEAVEN, "WALK!"

I mean my chair was so electrified, that my leg muscles were instantly standing, ready to move out. I looked over to my wife and she was Standing also. I asked, "Are you Ready!" And she said "YES". And I noticed that no one else HEARD THE VOICE. My wife went Out the door and I stopped right beside John, the counselor from my Church. I pointed my finger at him, and said, "John, you and I were raised in the same Church, BUT I SERIOUSLY DOUBT YOUR FAITH. I will pray for you." And as I turned to the others, I pointed past the lady Counselor, to the entire group, turning in a circle left to right, and said: "I will pray for you all too."

We went to her room, gathered her belongings, and out the door without, saying a word. As I came out the front door, I noticed that I had a Flat Tire on my JEEP, when I wanted to get away from that place as soon as Possible. So I busied myself with putting the spare tire on, and Just as I was tightening the last lug nut, my wife came up behind me. So I asked "Did you HEAR anything in THERE?" She said, "Just one word, 'WALK!'" So I said, "THAT'S IT! We are out of here."

The Second Time that I HEARD HIS VOICE, HE actually scared me, because it was so SUDDEN AND UNEXPECTED.

It was about 10 or 12 Years later, and by that time we had move to Crescent City, California, and I was on the way back to Nebraska by myself, to pick up 3 of the Grandchildren to bring them out for a Vacation. The first night, I spent the Night in a Motel, in ELKO, NV. After breakfast, I was turning onto the Interstate On Ramp, and I noticed a hitch hiker quite a ways up the ramp. I was not going to pick him up, so I was accelerating to INTERSTATE SPEED, moving left, as I approached him, I noticed I was doing 65 m.p.h. SUDDENLY GOD YELLED AT ME, IN THAT SAME BOOMING VOICE: "PICK HIM UP!" AGAIN, my muscles reacted involuntarily, I WAS JAMMING ON THE BREAKS, WITH ALL FOUR WHEELS SLIDING TO THE EDGE OF THE ROAD. He was coming running to my car, and he opened the door to my Car, and asked, "Are you giving me a ride." I was still SHAKING FROM WHAT HAD JUST HAPPENED, so I said: "YEAH, you get in the Car, because GOD JUST TOLD ME TO PICK YOU UP!" To make a long story short, I was to lead that young man to the LORD that day.
Hi VCO, praise God for magnifying the Lord with this wonderful testimony. I have a short but comforting testimony on the night that God saved my sinful soul. After I had prayed with 2 Christians from our Church for Jesus to save my soul, I confessed I was a lost sinner and begged Jesus to come into my life and save my wretched soul the best
I new how.

Later that evening I was just praying by myself with tears of gratitude and Joy for what had just happened to my life that night and I heard God's voice speaking to me in a quiet reassuring voice that said, "do not worry I will take care of you." these joyous wonderful word's have rang true to me all the day's of my life since that time praise God.

Thank you again VCO and God bless!
 

VCO

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Good set of verses and not something I say or espouse....but I will tell you what I do espouse....when it is TIME for him to come he WILL, and NUMEROUS events MUST take place first...until them it is a pipe dream to believe he can crack the sky today!

No nothing has to take place, you are thinking of the end times events. Most of the events are events, that I suppose you are talking about, happen in the the 70th week of Daniel. You do no that the Tribulation Saints are beheaded after the Church is called to the wedding of the Lamb, don't you? Of course you don't. I will tell you what, you encourage the Tribulation Saints; because I will not be here. I already have my Invitation to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven. We will be gone from somewhere between Rev. 4:1 - 6:6. We will be back with the Heavenly Armies at this time:


Revelation 19:14-16 (HCSB)
14 The armies that were in heaven followed Him on white horses, wearing pure white linen.
15 A sharp sword came from His mouth, so that He might strike the nations with it. He will shepherd them with an iron scepter. He will also trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God, the Almighty.
16 And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
 

VCO

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Hi VCO, praise God for magnifying the Lord with this wonderful testimony. I have a short but comforting testimony on the night that God saved my sinful soul. After I had prayed with 2 Christians from our Church for Jesus to save my soul, I confessed I was a lost sinner and begged Jesus to come into my life and save my wretched soul the best
I new how.

Later that evening I was just praying by myself with tears of gratitude and Joy for what had just happened to my life that night and I heard God's voice speaking to me in a quiet reassuring voice that said, "do not worry I will take care of you." these joyous wonderful word's have rang true to me all the day's of my life since that time praise God.

Thank you again VCO and God bless!
Thank you for SHARING THAT. What a Terrific Comfort that must have been. A least HE did not have you YELL at you to get you to listen to HIS will, like He did me. I have NEVER stopped a Car so fast from 65 m.p.h., as I did that day.
 
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No nothing has to take place, you are thinking of the end times events. Most of the events are events, that I suppose you are talking about, happen in the the 70th week of Daniel. You do no that the Tribulation Saints are beheaded after the Church is called to the wedding of the Lamb, don't you? Of course you don't. I will tell you what, you encourage the Tribulation Saints; because I will not be here. I already have my Invitation to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven. We will be gone from somewhere between Rev. 4:1 - 6:6. We will be back with the Heavenly Armies at this time:


Revelation 19:14-16 (HCSB)
14 The armies that were in heaven followed Him on white horses, wearing pure white linen.
15 A sharp sword came from His mouth, so that He might strike the nations with it. He will shepherd them with an iron scepter. He will also trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God, the Almighty.
16 And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Sorry....don't buy the modern day imminent return fallacy.......and yes, there are things that must occur before the body presence of Christ and our gathering together unto him.......
 

VCO

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Sorry....don't buy the modern day imminent return fallacy.......and yes, there are things that must occur before the body presence of Christ and our gathering together unto him.......

Why do you think HE HAD TO SAY TO THOSE NEARLY 2000 Years AGO:

Matthew 25:13 (NKJV)
13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

Luke 12:35-36 (NIV)
35 "Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning,
36 like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him.

Matthew 24:39-44 (KJV)
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.




How does that NOT spell HIS imminent return IS A REALITY TO YOU ? ? ?
 
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Why do you think HE HAD TO SAY TO THOSE NEARLY 2000 Years AGO:

Matthew 25:13 (NKJV)
13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

Luke 12:35-36 (NIV)
35 "Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning,
36 like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him.

Matthew 24:39-44 (KJV)
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.




How does that NOT spell HIS imminent return IS A REALITY TO YOU ? ? ?
Simple...the bible.......2nd Thessalonians 2 ALONE dispels some fanciful imminent return........not to mention Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, The parable of the wheat and tares, Daniel, Revelation, a few Psalms, 1 Thessalonians and ON and On and ON......
 

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AMEN bro.....I was in Sullivan Missouri today and Steak and Shake was giving free breakfasts to those who are veterans....I said....I believe I will HAHAHAH and had more than a few thank me for my service today....was a nice change too be honest.....

Semper Fi to all my military brothers and sisters regardless of branch!!
Amen
 

VCO

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Simple...the bible.......2nd Thessalonians 2 ALONE dispels some fanciful imminent return........not to mention Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, The parable of the wheat and tares, Daniel, Revelation, a few Psalms, 1 Thessalonians and ON and On and ON......

NOT even CLOSE on 2 Thess. chapter 2, that is one that refer to as SUPPORTING A PRETRIB RAPTURE.

Here is the VERSE:

2 Thessalonians 2:7 (NIV)
7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

That verse is about the HOLY SPIRIT holding back the Anti-christ (Satan possessing a world dictator), until He is taken out of the way. That means as long as the Holy Spirit is on this earth Satan's Anti-christ, cannot come to full power. When the Holy Spirit goes back to HEAVEN (taken out of the way) we the BRIDE have to go with HIM.

John 14:16-17 (NASB)
16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.


We will go when the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way, and THEN THE 70th WEEK OF DANIEL, RESUMES.
 
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NOT even CLOSE on 2 Thess. chapter 2, that is one that refer to as SUPPORTING A PRETRIB RAPTURE.

Here is the VERSE:

2 Thessalonians 2:7 (NIV)
7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

That verse is about the HOLY SPIRIT holding back the Anti-christ (Satan possessing a world dictator), until He is taken out of the way. That means as long as the Holy Spirit is on this earth Satan's Anti-christ, cannot come to full power. When the Holy Spirit goes back to HEAVEN (taken out of the way) we the BRIDE have to go with HIM.

John 14:16-17 (NASB)
16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.


We will go when the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way, and THEN THE 70th WEEK OF DANIEL, RESUMES.
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA man you need to go back to verse 1 and open your eyes.....
 
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HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA man you need to go back to verse 1 and open your eyes.....
@VCO and then study the following words from the Greek

Letteth
Let
Taken

They do not support the modern version of the HS restraining and being TAKEN <---does not even mean that in GREEK "out of the way"
 
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@VCO and then study the following words from the Greek

Letteth
Let
Taken

They do not support the modern version of the HS restraining and being TAKEN <---does not even mean that in GREEK "out of the way"
@VCO

TAKEN

ginomai: to come into being, to happen, to become
Original Word: γίνομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: ginomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ghin'-om-ahee)
Definition: to come into being, to happen, to become
Usage: I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.
 
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Ezechiel 5:6
And she hath despised my judgments, so as to be more wicked than the Gentiles; and my commandments, more than the countries that are round about her: for they have cast off my judgments, and have not walked in my commandments.
 
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John 15:10
If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; as I also have kept my Father's commandments, and do abide in his love.
 
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1 John 5:3
For this is the charity of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not heavy.
 
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@J70x7 So what.....none of what you posted equates to how one obtains the eternal salvation, justification, sealing and positional sanctification afforded by faith and faith alone!
 
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Matthew 5:19
He therefore that shall break one of these least commandments, and shall so teach men, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. But he that shall do and teach, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 
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Matthew 15:9
And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men.