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Ya that's kind of where I'm at . When someone can take an exact definition of arguably the most important word in the scriptures right out of the Greek dictionarys, and the overwhelming majority call it a false heresy , not being able to accept sound doctrine comes to mind .
Yes, you're not enduring sound doctrine but maybe you've never been sound in doctrine.
 

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Am I missing something ? I didn't think anyone liked what I'm bearing witness to
Yes you are missing a lot of grace and a lot of humility - "bearing witness to?" We pity the suffering you must be going through self-righteousness will do that.
 

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Godlessness in the Last Days

...But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— HAVING A FORM OF GODLINESS BUT DENYING IT'S POWER. (titus 1:16) Have nothing to do with them. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, ALWAYS LEARNING BUT NEVER ABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men OPPOSE THE TRUTH—men of depraved minds, who, AS FAR AS FAITH IS CONCERNED, ARE REJECTED. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone. 2 Timothy 3:1-9


...They claim to know God, but BY THEIR ACTIONS THEY DENY HIM. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1:16


...Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the OPPOSING IDEAS OF WHAT IS FALSELY CALLED KNOWLEDGE, which some have professed and in so doing have WANDERED FROM THE FAITH. Grace be with you. 1 Timothy 6:20-21


.. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, TO SUIT THEIR OWN DESIRES, they will gather around them a great number of teachers TO SAY WHAT THEIR ITCHING EARS WANT TO HEAR. They will turn their ears AWAY FROM THE TRUTH and turn aside to myths. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
 

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Mark 7:
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

No, your religion is not imaginary. You preach, as do "many" who call Him Lord, that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God's Commandments. I have pointed out this lie over and over, not with my words, but with the Words of the same God you claim has already given you immortality. But you reject them outright, choosing instead to follow the teaching of the religious franchises of the land. And many other such things you preach.

The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were not "trying" or "Striving" to obey God. Nothing you say, no amount of Lip service to God, no scripture can be twisted to make your preaching in this matter truth. You can preach these things in Christ's name. Claim Him as your God, give Him all the credit for everything you do. but none of that will cover the lie, the insidious falsehood that you promote. You can mock those who try and help you, insult those who point these things out as is common among religious man. But nothing will change the truth about the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time, and the religion they created in spite of their own God.

I'm not interested in analogies which promote what I have already proven by the Word of God are falsehoods. When you can humble yourself to the truth about the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time, then maybe you will be able to discern the truth about the religions of the land today. Until then:

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
and you mock Jesus, who is Lord and Savior, by refusing to believe He is fully God and fully man.
 
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Yes you are missing a lot of grace and a lot of humility - "bearing witness to?" We pity the suffering you must be going through self-righteousness will do that.
No defense for your building your understanding on a mistranslation ? Your just going right to misrepresentation and name-calling ?
 
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No defense for your building your understanding on a mistranslation ? Your just going right to misrepresentation and name-calling ?
Show us any Greek scholars who've come up with your "faithing" heresy.
 
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Pisteuo

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Show us any Greek scholars who've come up with your "faithing" heresy.
I have to persuade you and others while not degrading the integrity of pisteuo , or what should be called faithing in the English texts .
 
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I have to persuade you and others while not degrading the integrity of ...., or what should be called ... in the English texts .
You're not going to persuade anyone who knows you're incorrect and out on a limb.

Your arguments are weak and errant and I've already shown you numerous times how you take Scripture out of context. You won't have any of that, and like a true heretic you don't pay attention to evidence and march along in error.
 
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Pisteuo

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You're not going to persuade anyone who knows you're incorrect and out on a limb.

Your arguments are weak and errant and I've already shown you numerous times how you take Scripture out of context. You won't have any of that, and like a true heretic you don't pay attention to evidence and march along in error.
Strong's : pisteuo means NOT just to believe !!!! Really not that heretical .
 
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Pisteuo

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You're not going to persuade anyone who knows you're incorrect and out on a limb.

Your arguments are weak and errant and I've already shown you numerous times how you take Scripture out of context. You won't have any of that, and like a true heretic you don't pay attention to evidence and march along in error.
Your standing on a mistranslation , and rejecting the Greek definitions of pisteuo . This means your still at the drawing of the Father stage of the Salvation process . God is awaiting your first genuine act of pisteuo or a surrendered life . Seeing by your own words you haven't fulfilled that yet , Christ's Spirit , Christ , His word , and the promises in His word are not yours yet . So you can see the issue , if I talk about God's word with you , I would be acknowledging it's yours to talk about when as I shown you , it isn't yet . But it could be .
 

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Your standing on a mistranslation , and rejecting the Greek definitions of pisteuo . This means your still at the drawing of the Father stage of the Salvation process . God is awaiting your first genuine act of pisteuo or a surrendered life . Seeing by your own words you haven't fulfilled that yet , Christ's Spirit , Christ , His word , and the promises in His word are not yours yet . So you can see the issue , if I talk about God's word with you , I would be acknowledging it's yours to talk about when as I shown you , it isn't yet . But it could be .
Very very wrong, you are peddling yet another counterfeit Christ, I have the fullness of Christ dwelling in me and I need not any of your false christ.

Furthermore Christians have been raised up with Christ and are seated with Him in heavenly realms. You may leave now and take your horrendous fake gospel with you.

Epheasians2:6
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Colossians2:10-12
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and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. 11In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh b was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
 
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Your standing on a mistranslation , and rejecting the Greek definitions of pisteuo . This means your still at the drawing of the Father stage of the Salvation process . God is awaiting your first genuine act of pisteuo or a surrendered life . Seeing by your own words you haven't fulfilled that yet , Christ's Spirit , Christ , His word , and the promises in His word are not yours yet . So you can see the issue , if I talk about God's word with you , I would be acknowledging it's yours to talk about when as I shown you , it isn't yet . But it could be .
Just think of the millions who had "mistranslations" before you came around. All of them in eternal misery!

And now? Now you're here to save us all!!!! Until you came along, we were all doomed! :LOL::ROFL::love::LOL::ROFL::LOL::love::LOL::ROFL::LOL::love:
 
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Pisteuo

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Very very wrong, you are peddling yet another counterfeit Christ, I have the fullness of Christ dwelling in me and I need not any of your false christ.

Furthermore Christians have been raised up with Christ and are seated with Him in heavenly realms. You may leave now and take your horrendous fake gospel with you.

Epheasians2:6
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Colossians2:10-12
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and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. 11In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh b was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Not if they haven't started I life of pisteuo yet . That means a continually surrendered life , not believing in something that's not yours yet .
 
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Pisteuo

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Just think of the millions who had "mistranslations" before you came around. All of them in eternal misery!

And now? Now you're here to save us all!!!! Until you came along, we were all doomed! :LOL::ROFL::love::LOL::ROFL::LOL::love::LOL::ROFL::LOL::love:

Just pointing out the stumbling block , you'd do the same for me if you could , right !
 
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Just pointing out the stumbling block , you'd do the same for me if you could , right !
I've shown you your errors of misusing Scripture, plainly, and you just carry on without accepting correction. Not quite so "surrendered" are we? :)