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Pisteuo

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Ok.

Genuine faith in action.

I want to be like Jesus.
I want to love people, I dont want to sin, I want to hear is voice, I want his will in my live to be complete, I want him to complete my life.
I want his love and reassurance, I want him to break down every stronghold, in want the chains that bind me to be loosed in order to set me free to help others that I have been set from.

I want him to enlarge my borders and take me out of my comfort zone.

In a nutshell. I want to be like Jesus to others as he was when he came to die and reconcile me to our Father in heaven.

And boy has he helped me. I won't go into my life experiences but he has dealt with it and it's using me to help others.

That's my desire.
I guess the knee jerk reaction to that post is this .

You said the words " I want " 10 times . True genuine Faithing action , is surrendering our life ( our wants ) to Him ! Surrendering our life and wants to Him , that He may generate a new life doing what He wants .

What you've discribed isn't what the Vines defines pisteuo as . Does that mean you disagree with the application of Faith, ( faithing or pisteuo ) is " a personal surrender to Him and a
 

preacher4truth

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Hi P4T
Have a look at post 77,280
I looked, it is not saying what pisstoe is saying. All it is saying is faith has the companion of evidence which we all know. The way he is saying it is if we don't practice (insert his made up word here) then we aren't saving ourselves.
 

BillG

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I guess the knee jerk reaction to that post is this .

You said the words " I want " 10 times . True genuine Faithing action , is surrendering our life ( our wants ) to Him ! Surrendering our life and wants to Him , that He may generate a new life doing what He wants .

What you've discribed isn't what the Vines defines pisteuo as . Does that mean you disagree with the application of Faith, ( faithing or pisteuo ) is " a personal surrender to Him and a
No idea what your point is.
I just want to be like Jesus.
If that's not personal surrender given want I've said then you obviously have a different idea.

So please tell us.
 

BillG

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I looked, it is not saying what pisstoe is saying. All it is saying is faith has the companion of evidence which we all know. The way he is saying it is if we don't practice (insert his made up word here) then we aren't saving ourselves.
Here we go

Vines Expository Dictionary (noeo.net)

The main elements in "faith" in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from "faith" in man, are especially brought out in the use of this noun and the corresponding verb, pisteuo; they are (1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation or truth, e.g., 2 Thess. 2:11,12; (2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12; (3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Cor. 5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context. All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good "faith" without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's "faith" was not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); his "faith" rested on God Himself, Rom. 4:17,20,21."
 

preacher4truth

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Here we go

Vines Expository Dictionary (noeo.net)

The main elements in "faith" in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from "faith" in man, are especially brought out in the use of this noun and the corresponding verb, pisteuo; they are (1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation or truth, e.g., 2 Thess. 2:11,12; (2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12; (3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Cor. 5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context. All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good "faith" without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's "faith" was not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); his "faith" rested on God Himself, Rom. 4:17,20,21."
Yes, like I said, I read it. He is taking the meaning too far.
 
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Pisteuo

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No idea what your point is.
I just want to be like Jesus.
If that's not personal surrender given want I've said then you obviously have a different idea.

So please tell us.
The Vines is a different definition than what your saying .
 
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J70x7

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Your analogy is lacking creedance....why? Because you don't know what you are talking about.....try faith....it supersedes the drivel you peddle!
Do you know by whom and what year was the first list of the books of the Bible drawn up?
 
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J70x7

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No what I'm saying is that a genuine belief in Jesus and on Jesus is that those who have placed genuine faith in him will want to be like him and walk like him.

Genuine faith in action.

But bear in mind different growth rates
Do you know by whom and what year was the first list of the books of the Bible drawn up?
 

Studyman

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Fully God and fully man. So how could He be tempted like we are if He was fully God? Christ emptied Himself when He came to earth as

man. He no longer had the Divine nature but was a human being!
But to admit the Christ came in the Flesh would be to admit it isn't impossible for man to repent and to obey God. This is the very foundation of many religious beliefs. If it is shown that Jesus was a human like us, then the very fabric, the very foundation of many religious views starts to crumble.

What they don't realize if the joy in the struggle, the race, the great adventure when one offers themselves to God in mind and body. How His Word's and Warnings manifest themselves in the "Walk". How important it is to Spiritual growth to trust Him with our lives as did Abraham.

But it is a choice, and we don't add to God's Church, He does. We must remember that there must be offences. Otherwise we could not be tested.
 
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Acts 16:25-34

The Philippian Jailer Saved
25 But at midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were loosed. 27 And the keeper of the prison, awaking from sleep and seeing the prison doors open, supposing the prisoners had fled, drew his sword and was about to kill himself. 28 But Paul called with a loud voice, saying, “Do yourself no harm, for we are all here.”
29 Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34 Now when he had brought them into his house, he set food before them; and he rejoiced, having believed in God with all his household.
Amen Bill.....believe and acknowledge = saved
 

Studyman

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I am sick of your slander and belittling of people. You are on report, and hope others follow suit.
LOL
"Or a jewish roots sympathiser or modern day pharisee who waters down the law of God to puff himself up?"


I can't tell if you are putting yourself on report, and all your name calling pals, or just me.
 
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The FREE GIFT of God is His only begotten Son Jesus Christ.
(Romans 6:23, revelations 22:17)

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have ETERNAL LIFE. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.” John 3:16-21


...Now THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE: THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3


Then John said;


...WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a LIAR, and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know WE ARE IN HIM: Whoever CLAIMS to live in him MUST WALK as Jesus did.


WE CAN BE IN JESUS IF WE OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS. HE IS THE LIFE THAT WE MUST ENTER IN. (john 14:6)... ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS. (Romans 6:23)


...If you want TO ENTER LIFE, obey the commandments.” matthew 19:17


...Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE FROM WHAT HE SUFFERED hebrews 5:8


...To this you were called, because Christ SUFFERED for you, LEAVING YOU AN EXAMPLE, that YOU SHOULD FOLLOW IN HIS STEPS. 1 Peter 2:21


...For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE IN HIM, but also TO SUFFER FOR HIM, Philippians 1:29


Those who truly believes in the Son of God loves the light and Jesus is the LIGHT of the world.

Whoever loves Jesus stays in the light and OBEYS His commands. Whoever does not OBEY His commands hates the LIGHT. Whoever hates the LIGHT, hates God. Whoever hates God are enemies of God.


...THEY STUMBLE BECAUSE THEY DISOBEY THE MESSAGE—which is also what they were destined for. 1 Peter 2:8


...As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are IRREVOCABLE. Romans 11:28-29


Paul was talking here about GOD'S calling and gifts to Israel.

...the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. Romans 9:4-5

...This is IRREVOCABLE.


But what did he say to the Gentiles?


...I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, DO NOT BOAST OVER THOSE BRANCHES. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. DO NOT BE ARROGANT, BUT BE AFRAID. For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE WILL NOT SPARE YOU EITHER. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, PROVIDED that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree! Romans 11:13-24
Arguemore....your drivel conflates numerous ideas into one false idea....the free gift is eternal life based upon faith into the Son....not your working for, law keeping drivel that you blather on about......!!
 

VCO

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The time has come to put Suzy37 on my Permanent IGNORE LIST.

Please let me know is she tries to deceive a young believer. Please let me know when management decides to BAN her. It should not be very long.

BY THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL KNOW THEM.

I haven't seen that degree of Arguing, Dissensions, Strife, Unhealthy Interest in Controversies, Malicious Talk, Constant Friction, etc. in a LONG TIME, 1 Tim. 6:3-5. I hope you all know, I sincerely tried to get through to her. It saddens me, but she clings to the teaching of her FALSE TEACHERS, and will not even consider the TRUTHS OF THE BIBLE that we all tried to have explained to her. I fear she has hardened her heart, against the TRUTH.

THEREFORE, it is time for me to:

Mark 6:11 (HCSB)
11 If any place does not welcome you and people refuse to listen to you,
when you leave there, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.”


No, I am not going anywhere, by putting her on my Permanent IGNORE LIST, none of her Posts will be on my screen, and not even when you REPLY TO HER, only YOUR PART will show up.