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I guess since you are scrambling around responding to all of my posts that it is okay to address you

Have you ever uttered the words I was wrong?

You know good and well you have been caught in a contradiction right out of your own mouth with your IRREVOCABLE deceiving false Doctrine

Anybody with one eyeball and half a brain can go back and read what you said over and over

It is impossible to BACKSLIDE AND leave your salvation because the gifts and the call of God is IRREVOCABLE IRREVOCABLE you said

The Bible is plain in Mark 3 that Jesus called Judas and ordained him to be an apostle

BUT NOW ITS ...WAIT A MINUTE .........WAIT A MINUTE THAT IRREVOCABLE STUFF WAS FOR EVERYBODY EXCEPT JUDAS

I thought I read somewhere in the Bible that said "God is Not a respect of people neither regardeth he any man's person"

I guess since you are the dictator you can have it both ways. But as for us common people we see the contradiction


Instead of admitting you were wrong you act like one of the kids that went to the school I used to be principal of.

What are you 16 yrs old telling me..
. do not address me... Because I don't agree with you. That's Child's Play
Sure I have.....but not this time....have you ever been HONEST with the word of GOD?

AND your WAIT a minute crap is a lie...it has been addressed......DUDE you have no honesty, credibility and or integrity
 

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◄ 2 Timothy 2 ►
English Standard Version

1You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus, 2and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men,a who will be able to teach others also. 3Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. 5An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. 6It is the hard-working farmer who ought to have the first share of the crops. 7Think over what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything.

8Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, the offspring of David, as preached in my gospel, 9for which I am suffering, bound with chains as a criminal. But the word of God is not bound! 10Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11The saying is trustworthy, for:

If we have died with him, we will also live with him;
12if we endure, we will also reign with him;
if we deny him, he also will deny us;
13if we are faithless, he remains faithful—

for he cannot deny himself.

14Remind them of these things, and charge them before Godb not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved,c a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 16But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness,

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Did Jesus reject Peter for denying Him three times?

Or did he declare to the Pharisees and scribes who claimed that Jesus did his healing by the power of Satan and not the Holy Spirit to be destined to Hell?

Both denied Jesus, but which one was saved and which ones condemned?

The Bible doesn't contradict itself.

Jesus says none shall snatch us from His hand

Either you believe it or you believe a lie and live in fear of losing God's love and grace.
 

Hevosmies

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Notice the difference between Peter and Judas:

Jesus prays for Peter, but no prayer for Judas is recorded!
 

AgapeShellArt

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If I wanted to be mean, I would remain silent and allow you to continue to believe a lie and live in fear of losing God's love
 

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I did think about this, but as life is the gift itself, life removing itself is not rejecting
the gift because there is no 3rd party that remains.

My point is gifts have a condition attached to them, accepting or rejecting them.
And how the gifts work has conditions. So it is wrong to try are argue gifts can
exist without conditions. Linguistically no conditions mean the receiver can do what
they like with the gift. Again, the gospel is full of conditions, long lists of approved and
disapproved of behaviours, attitudes, beliefs, expectations, reactions.

But to convey the sense of sinners are accepted where they are, can be over emphasised to
they can stay as they are in sin and degredation.
 
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I guess since you are scrambling around responding to all of my posts that it is okay to address you

Have you ever uttered the words I was wrong?

YES I have when I have been wrong

You know good and well you have been caught in a contradiction right out of your own mouth with your IRREVOCABLE deceiving false Doctrine

Not hardly deceiver

Anybody with one eyeball and half a brain can go back and read what you said over and over

Yep and all except the salvation losers can see the truth if it

It is impossible to BACKSLIDE AND leave your salvation because the gifts and the call of God is IRREVOCABLE IRREVOCABLE you said

Exactly...he was NEVER saved....IS a DEVIL< THOSE who would NOT BELIEVE and the SON of perdition....MAYBE open your eyes and be honest instead of a deceiver with no honesty or integrity

The Bible is plain in Mark 3 that Jesus called Judas and ordained him to be an apostle

SO what......that has nothing to do with salvation, he was called to fulfill a purpose....all scriptures point to him being lost....a sever lack of honesty and integrity on your part keeps you from admitting the truth

BUT NOW ITS ...WAIT A MINUTE .........WAIT A MINUTE THAT IRREVOCABLE STUFF WAS FOR EVERYBODY EXCEPT JUDAS

A dishonest lie on your part...more proof of no honesty or integrity.....several of us have addressed this


I thought I read somewhere in the Bible that said "God is Not a respect of people neither regardeth he any man's person"

Sure......and has nothing to do with the fact that JUDAS was LOST and NEVER SAVED again more proof of no honesty on your part

I guess since you are the dictator you can have it both ways. But as for us common people we see the contradiction

Moronic statement with no bearing on anything....


Instead of admitting you were wrong you act like one of the kids that went to the school I used to be principal of.

More idiocy with no bearing....the only one not honest and admitting the truth is yourself pal.........very very dishonest and the following quote = bloviating by a dishonest man

What are you 16 yrs old telling me..
. do not address me... Because I don't agree with you. That's Child's Play
And I will add.....there is no contradiction in anything I have said.....Both Mailman and I have addressed this......open your eyes to the truth and get some honesty, lose the pride, the lies and admit your error..JUDAS was never saved and then lost it......
 

Magenta

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Did Jesus give Judas the power to cast out devils?

Was Judas not called chosen and ordained by Jesus to be an apostle?

Jesus knows the end from the beginning so yes he knew that Judas would betray him.

But Judas was not forced to betray Jesus. No more then Eve was forced to eat the forbidden fruit....... She was tempted and she fell to that temptation. This the acts 1 says "Judas by transgression fell"

Bible says Satan entered the heart of Judas when Jesus gave him the sop

I would argue that Peters sins was far worse than Judas!!

Peter stood by the fire looking at the savior and cursed saying "i don't know who HE is". Imagine how Jesus must have felt......

Judas betrayed Jesus
Peter denied Jesus

Betrayal......slams the door in my face
Denial........locks the door

Betrayal......stabs a knife in my back
Denial.....twists the knife

Only difference between Peter and Judas was that Peter wept bitterly no doubt repenting........Judas couldn't bare the thought of facing Jesus, although he could have gotten forgiveness as Peter did..

Watch Judas preach one of his best sermons to you and I.......as he takes the money back, throws it down....gives it back......he is preaching to me that sin doesn't pay what it promises
You seem loathe to just admit that there are no Scriptures showing Judas cast out unclean spirits.
 

AgapeShellArt

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God accepts sinners where they are but he doesn't keep them sinners.

I wrote a piece about how we are all born holey until God takes the "e" out of us and makes us Holy.

E for emptiness because He fills us with His holy spirit

E for Earthiness because he changes our hearts desires to be more aligned with His will.

E for ego because he replaces our selfishness with His love for others as well as a healthier love of who God is making us to be.

As for rejecting the gift of life...this world and the ability to live in it is a gift..some say a curse others a blessing, but in the end eternity is not this life.

The third party would be your true spiritual self, God and the people of this world who loses your presence if you commit suicide.

The gift is given with out conditions.

What happens after you accept or reject the free gift, is another story all together.

I did think about this, but as life is the gift itself, life removing itself is not rejecting
the gift because there is no 3rd party that remains.

My point is gifts have a condition attached to them, accepting or rejecting them.
And how the gifts work has conditions. So it is wrong to try are argue gifts can
exist without conditions. Linguistically no conditions mean the receiver can do what
they like with the gift. Again, the gospel is full of conditions, long lists of approved and
disapproved of behaviours, attitudes, beliefs, expectations, reactions.

But to convey the sense of sinners are accepted where they are, can be over emphasised to
they can stay as they are in sin and degredation.
 
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You seem loathe to just admit that there are no Scriptures showing Judas cast out unclean spirits.
And or refusing to acknowledge the truth that NO scriptures point to Judas being saved, but there is a plethora pointing to him being lost.....This guy has no honesty or integrity....he proved this his first day here and continues to prove this.........

a. Is a DEVIL
b. Christ KNEW who would NOT BELIEVE
c. The Son of Perdition
d. Thief holding the bag
c. Wicked go astray from the womb

etc.
 

Hevosmies

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Oy vey! @GodsGrace101 WHERE ARE YOU? I see you online!

Come answer me right now
Why did you say salvation is earned? https://christianchat.com/goto/post?id=3854467

Here are Scriptures directly refuting it:

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Titus 3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

I wont drop this till I get an answer!
 

Budman

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Think about what you're saying Jesus called Judas to preach and gave him power to preach and heal the sick
"And John answered and said, "Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us." And Jesus said unto him, "Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us." (Luke 9:49-50)

John said this guy wasn't with them - did Jesus give that guy the power?
 

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I guess since you are scrambling around responding to all of my posts that it is okay to address you

Have you ever uttered the words I was wrong?

You know good and well you have been caught in a contradiction right out of your own mouth with your IRREVOCABLE deceiving false Doctrine

Anybody with one eyeball and half a brain can go back and read what you said over and over

It is impossible to BACKSLIDE AND leave your salvation because the gifts and the call of God is IRREVOCABLE IRREVOCABLE you said

The Bible is plain in Mark 3 that Jesus called Judas and ordained him to be an apostle

BUT NOW ITS ...WAIT A MINUTE .........WAIT A MINUTE THAT IRREVOCABLE STUFF WAS FOR EVERYBODY EXCEPT JUDAS

I thought I read somewhere in the Bible that said "God is Not a respect of people neither regardeth he any man's person"

I guess since you are the dictator you can have it both ways. But as for us common people we see the contradiction


Instead of admitting you were wrong you act like one of the kids that went to the school I used to be principal of.

What are you 16 yrs old telling me..
. do not address me... Because I don't agree with you. That's Child's Play
Hi Goodnewsman, read John 17:12, decon is right, "Judas Iscariot was "Lost and doomed to destruction."

Apart from mishandling scripture and coming to wrong conclusions your sympathies should be with the One who laid down His life for the human race not sympathetic for the one who deceived our Savior.

John 17:12
While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
 

Hevosmies

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Wow unbelievable that you would make such a statement
True statement! Jesus says He prays for those who the Father has given Him! He prays not for the world Jesus said!

Jesus prayed for Peter, no recorded prayer for Judas. FACTS!
 
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I know, but thats what its called today.
Only by calvinists.

I never heard it until i came in CC.

To most people, it is just a works gospel

The calvinist arminian argument is what causes the most issues in here, because instead of trying to understand what others are saying, they look at it from a calvin or arminain view and attack it because they are attacking each other

Osas is an example. Alot of people think osas is calvinist, so they attack it because they hate calvinism, instead finding out why people believe in eternal security,

It gets frustrating when people do that, thats why i try to divert it from a calvin vs arminian argument and to a bible discussion minus certain biases