Not By Works

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

GodsGrace101

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2018
2,225
517
113
I hate no one Fran, including you.....but what you and they espouse and peddle on the other hand....I despise........................with a passion I might add.
A reply that does not match the request...
AGAIN.


What does the CC believe saves a person and keeps them saved?

You claim to know.
Come on....
Come on....
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,401
113
All my friends here know I'm victimized.
Yeah OK.....Fran...sure.........You know better........and You know full well that what we hammer is what you espouse and peddle....I have even told you numerous times that I like you.....but despise what you stand for which devalues JESUS, his power, promises and sacrifice.....
 
N

NoNameMcgee

Guest
I find most on this thread do not care to discuss scripture.
They do what you're doing above....
Personal comments,
Insults,
Misunderstandings

Yes. I do get the feeling that those that do not reply to questions don't know the answer or are afraid to post what they think. Persons that are sure of their beliefs have no problem quoting scripture and speaking about it. Use @mailmandan as a good example.

He and I do not agree (I'm still not sure of what) but he's very courteous and civil and actually posts scripture and does explain it even though I don't agree with his exegesis.

Then open your eyes to how some others here behave. All they want to do is argue.
I'm not speaking to them anymore BTW.

If you want to discuss scripture...
You POST THE SCRIPTURE
And then you exegete it.

That's how it's done.
No personal remarks about me,,,which is all I hear.
well we've been here before

if you want to discuss scripture with me

keep the false accusations and snarky remarks to yourself

i dont represent cc

i am in multiple bible studies and have done commentary on most of the bible at this point (read the whole thing many times, am not confused)

i am far from scared of anyone in the world

you are no exception fran


but
i love truth

i desire to share it as well

and i love to discuss scripture


and i am not afraid to admit my errors


i don't see myself as all knowing
or even wise

God just shows me the truth and i spend a lot of time in His word and prayer... not following "cute sayings"
 

GodsGrace101

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2018
2,225
517
113
You tag me on a regular basis and or reference me regularly FRAN......the victim card does not work on an open forum.........nice try though....
At least I tag you....like I'm supposed to do.
How about you start tagging ME when you speak about me.
 

GodsGrace101

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2018
2,225
517
113
Yeah OK.....Fran...sure.........You know better........and You know full well that what we hammer is what you espouse and peddle....I have even told you numerous times that I like you.....but despise what you stand for which devalues JESUS, his power, promises and sacrifice.....
You devalue Jesus by insinuating that it's not necessary to obey Him.
By stating that YOU don't have to do anything because HE did it all on the cross.
He died for YOU
But YOU can't do ANYTHING for Him...
Too much trouble for ya?

Jesus asks that you emulate Him.
Paul said to imitate him like he imitates Jesus.
Is that too much to ask?
 
N

NoNameMcgee

Guest
BTW, What's wrong with being a grandma!

And being old.

One day YOU will be old too my young friend.

I just hope you don't end up looking like this:




lol fran

to be honest you look much younger than i thought

i take back the old enough to be my grandma comment

plus old is good not bad (i made it as to say dont tell me to grow up when youre calling me scared because i didnt reply fast enough for you)

i will be happy when im old... that much closer to my Father in many ways
 

GodsGrace101

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2018
2,225
517
113
well we've been here before

if you want to discuss scripture with me

keep the false accusations and snarky remarks to yourself

i dont represent cc

i am in multiple bible studies and have done commentary on most of the bible at this point (read the whole thing many times, am not confused)

i am far from scared of anyone in the world

you are no exception fran


but
i love truth

i desire to share it as well

and i love to discuss scripture


and i am not afraid to admit my errors


i don't see myself as all knowing
or even wise

God just shows me the truth and i spend a lot of time in His word and prayer... not following "cute sayings"
How come we both know the TRUTH?
What IS the truth?
 

GodsGrace101

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2018
2,225
517
113
lol fran

to be honest you look much younger than i thought

i take back the old enough to be my grandma comment

plus old is good not bad (i made it as to say dont tell me to grow up when youre calling me scared because i didnt reply fast enough for you)

i will be happy when im old... that much closer to my Father in many ways
Not only that....
But it means you didn't die young.
I know too many that have....
Old age is good.
 

Hevosmies

Well-known member
Sep 8, 2018
3,612
2,633
113
While growing up in the Roman Catholic church, prior to my conversion, I was falsely taught that belief/faith is "defined as" obedience/works. I was recently in a discussion with a Roman Catholic who claims that the Roman Catholic church does not teach works salvation, then afterward, contradicted himself by making this statement below:

We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith". Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES:...........
Its the same trick the ADVENTISTS pull. Oh yeah you're saved by grace through faith, but not keeping the sabbath IS living in constant sin, and you can lose your salvation if you continue in it :) Oh and btw going to church on sunday(first day of the week on which the early church gathered) can cause you to take the mark of the beast later on when sunday worship is enforced. :) But we love you, look at us smile :)
 
N

NoNameMcgee

Guest
Not only that....
But it means you didn't die young.
I know to many that have....
Old age is good.
for the record that aged fella you posted looks better than me now in my prime... id be happy to make it to that age and look like him
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,401
113
You devalue Jesus by insinuating that it's not necessary to obey Him.

FALSE, I have never said that one time.....pull it up in a quote or be found false

By stating that YOU don't have to do anything because HE did it all on the cross.

False again, Pull up a quote where i have said or implied that or be found false

He died for YOU
But YOU can't do ANYTHING for Him...
Too much trouble for ya?

NEVER have implied that, I just don't boast or brag like the BIBLE states NOT TO DO....another FALSE claim

Jesus asks that you emulate Him.
Paul said to imitate him like he imitates Jesus.
Is that too much to ask?
Who said I don't.....you don't know me or my life.....just that I rake you and a few other false teachers over the coals as Christ did and Paul did does not mean that I do not make an attempt to be like JESUS....MY quotes are IN bolded above......
 
May 20, 2018
225
117
43
Ohio
I can not comprehend how some of the posts on this thread come from the Spirit of Truth.
First of a, lets all get on the sa.e page and start with believing in the sa.e TRUE doctrine of the New Testament. A doctrine that has been twisted, . manipulated, and flat out changed from it's original content of truth since shortly after the original disciples were martyred (a few hundred years)
The "Pauline Doctrine of Justification Solely by Faith" is the original and true doctrine of the New Testament.
Who is with, and against me on this claim?
 

BillG

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2017
9,014
4,430
113
He is still funny at times.............and honest to boot
At times?

I'm so funny that someone said to me I should be on a stage.
Not sure what they meant when they said "There is one leaving in 5 minutes, make sure you are on it"
 

Goodnewsman

Senior Member
Jan 4, 2016
710
102
43
AMEN I quoted PAUL yesterday and what he said about those preaching out of spite and contention in hopes of adding to Paul's bonds.....the power is in the message not the messenger.........anyone worth 2 cents of biblical salt knows and understand that truth.....
proof positive Judas was saved and was given the Spirit of God to Preach, heal the sick, and cast out devils

Matthew 10:5-8 (KJV)
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.


luke's version:

Luke 9:1-2 (KJV)
1 Then he called his twelve disciples (had to include Judas) together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.


power--doo'-nam-is
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.


same word used for Holy ghost power

Judas was given authority over all devils......impossible for him to be full of the devil at this point, no?

lets go a little further:

Matthew 10 Jesus continues to instruct the 12 (Judas included) as to what to expect

Matthew 10:20 (KJV)
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

this is why acts 1 says "Judas by transgression fell"

Judas was tempted and enticed and drawn away by his own lust, just like you and i can be
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,401
113
At times?

I'm so funny that someone said to me I should be on a stage.
Not sure what they meant when they said "There is one leaving in 5 minutes, make sure you are on it"
HAH hilarious......I am the same way...a happy go lucky kind of guy that likes to joke a good time....I am only serious with the word and or if I am dealing with someone.....the rest of the time a jokester....................Oh....I am also serious as if I am on a stalk for a deer.......HAHHA
 
N

NoNameMcgee

Guest
How come we both knew the TRUTH?
What IS the truth?
Gods word is the truth
Jesus is the truth

we can discuss it


if someone does not believe what God has shown me

I can only assume their doctrine is incorrect when it goes directly against what I know scripture says



if you would like to show me where the bible says

salvation comes from anything other than by grace through faith

or that it can be lost....

we can discuss those scriptures

it will serve the same purpose in showing sooooomeone the truth
 

GodsGrace101

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2018
2,225
517
113
Used to be, used to be?

I'll have you know I'm still funny.
Ok not everybody's funny but I'm still funny.
I know you probably still are...
But it this thread does you no justice!

I have your shirts all ironed and ready BTW.
All 55 of them.
 

BillG

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2017
9,014
4,430
113
HAH hilarious......I am the same way...a happy go lucky kind of guy that likes to joke a good time....I am only serious with the word and or if I am dealing with someone.....the rest of the time a jokester....................Oh....I am also serious as if I am on a stalk for a deer.......HAHHA
We need to lighten up, joke.

I'm sure Jesus would have done this with the disciples