Not By Works

[NoNameMcgee]

Do you believe you can walk like Jesus? Is this your ambition?
And would you call someone who believed this is the gospel a wolf?

So I wonder who your are NoNameMcgee and why I should have any interaction with you.
Let me introduce myself to you, I am a christian, a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, a lover
of His word and His ways. It strikes me you represent something different, but I do not know
what and seems like maybe I do not want to know what.

lol, how many different accounts have you used to post on cc?

based on your side stepping, and subtle twists when asked and deceptive behavior id imagine a few

 

[FollowHisSteps]

lol, how many different accounts have you used to post on cc?

based on your side stepping, and subtle twists when asked and deceptive behavior id imagine a few

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I wonder if people know what deception and side stepping is, and just not answering.
It is like there is some magical obligation to answer, you will do what I tell you .......

I understand how dictatorships quickly arise when you start to give people the power to
believe they are right and their victim, God help his soul, must respond.

And those who demand the most, somehow believe the answer will solve the problem.
How dare you refuse my question? You must say, or I will, I will, I will .......

This is why it becomes a little charade, and dance...... lol.

 

[VCO]

Hi,
Maybe words do not have the same meaning to you as to me.
You are saying I have not understood these sentences

"We are in the flesh. We still have the "Old Man", which means we will still sin. Yet, we have been declared holy, righteous, perfect, and sinless by God."

Bud is saying we are in the "old man", is actually in sin and still sinning, ie not cleansed, pure and holy.
He then says the uncleansed, impure, and unholy is declared holy, righteous, perfect and sinless.

Maybe I have miss-understood, but it appears not.
If we are forgiven, purified, cleansed, washed clean, we are not dirty or defiled or unholy.
Simple analogy, if as a child you come in from playing and are dirty, declaring you clean can be done.

Or being cleaned, and when clean being declared clean.

Now it appears to me, Bud is saying though we are dirty we are told we are clean.
I am saying this is not true, we are cleansed, and once cleansed declared clean.

Is there something wrong here in my understanding of the two positions?
How is this slander to any degree, please tell me, I want to seriously know because I have no intent to
slander or lie?

I am glad you put the sentence, in bold type: We still have the "Old Man", which means we will still sin.

For a little bit I thought YOU were saying that we were SINLESS.

Our positional holiness because of what CHRIST HAS DONE, IN OUR HUMAN SPIRIT, is not the REALITY OF OUR UTTERLY SINFULNESS OF OUR FLESH.

JAMES HAS SAID:

James 2:9-10 (NIV)
9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.


Here are some SINS, that You may not realize that they are ACTUALLY ARE SINS.


1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king [President Trump].

Speeding, even accidentally - YOU SIN!



Littering, even a candy bar wrapper or cigarette butt - YOU SIN!

Parking Violation - YOU SIN!


Failure to pick up dog poop - YOU SIN!

Jay Walking is an ordinance is some Cities - YOU SIN!

Here is one that is the Sign of the TIMES. NO TEXTING IN A CROSSWALK - YOU SIN!

Any violation of a City, County, State, or National Ordinance - is SIN.

You seem to be fond of quoting PAUL, so I will prove the difference between spiritual position and the position of flesh via PAUL.

Romans 7:14-25 (HCSB)
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am made out of flesh, sold into sin’s power.
15 For I do not understand what I am doing, because I do not practice what I want to do, but I do what I hate.
16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
17 So now I am no longer the one doing it, but it is sin living in me.
18 For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For the desire to do what is good is with me, but there is no ability to do it.
19 For I do not do the good that I want to do, but I practice the evil that I do not want to do.
20 Now if I do what I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but it is the sin that lives in me.
21 So I discover this principle: When I want to do what is good, evil is with me.
22 For in my inner self I joyfully agree with God’s law.
23 But I see a different law in the parts of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and taking me prisoner to the law of sin in the parts of my body.
24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this dying body?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I myself am a slave to the law of God, but with my flesh, to the law of sin.

 

[Hevosmies]

Jaywalking sign looks like regular walking to me

What does it mean? You cant even walk in America? lol

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I am glad you put sentence, if bold type: We still have the "Old Man", which means we will still sin.

For a little bit I thought YOU were saying that we were SINLESS.

Our positional holiness because of what CHRIST HAS DONE, IN OUR HUMAN SPIRIT, is not the REALITY OF OUR UTTERLY SINFULNESS OF YOUR FLESH.

JAMES HAS SAID:

James 2:9-10 (NIV)
9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Here are some SINS, that You may not realize that they are ACTUALLY ARE SINS.


1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king [President Trump].

Speeding, even accidentally - YOU SIN!


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Littering, even a candy bar wrapper or cigarette butt - YOU SIN!

Parking Violation - YOU SIN!

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Failure to pick up dog poop - YOU SIN!

Jay Walking is an ordinance is some Cities - YOU SIN!

Here is one that is the Sign of the TIMES. NO TEXTING IN A CROSSWALK - YOU SIN!

Any violation of a City, County, State, or National Ordinance - is SIN.

You seem to be fond of quoting PAUL, so I will prove the difference between spiritual position and the position of flesh via PAUL.

Romans 7:14-25 (HCSB)
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am made out of flesh, sold into sin’s power.
15 For I do not understand what I am doing, because I do not practice what I want to do, but I do what I hate.
16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
17 So now I am no longer the one doing it, but it is sin living in me.
18 For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For the desire to do what is good is with me, but there is no ability to do it.
19 For I do not do the good that I want to do, but I practice the evil that I do not want to do.
20 Now if I do what I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but it is the sin that lives in me.
21 So I discover this principle: When I want to do what is good, evil is with me.
22 For in my inner self I joyfully agree with God’s law.
23 But I see a different law in the parts of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and taking me prisoner to the law of sin in the parts of my body.
24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this dying body?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I myself am a slave to the law of God, but with my flesh, to the law of sin.

Hi vco,

Thanks for this.

REALITY OF OUR UTTERLY SINFULNESS OF YOUR FLESH.

I think this describes our differences very well. God bless you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you walk like Jesus or have this ambition each day?
I hope this is your ambition.

You claimed you were yoked to Jesus and walked in His ways, except you added about me meaning
it was a heavy burden and slavery.

You do confuse me with your statements and attitude. But then no surprise considering your words already.

You make it a yoke because you do it to gain salvation, not because you have been saved and are secure in christ.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

You make it a yoke because you do it to gain salvation, not because you have been saved and are secure in christ.

I put the yoke on because Jesus asks me to.
You said I do it to gain salvation. I have not said that or implied it.

So why are you telling me something personal about myself that you do not know?
Can you admit this is what you are doing, and you do not know me, and I have not
said I do what you are claiming?

Are you interested in honesty or just pushing your views?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I remember being careful to listen to people and to understand them.
Part of this is to express where they are, and then explain in their words what one means.

I love Jesus, because this is how He handles all His sheep, thank you Jesus, I love you

 

[BillG]

Amen.


However, they need to turn back to God before they can be discipled.



JPT

With this I agree.

As I said in my previous post concerning seeking them out , if they have no desire for help or correction and I try to differentiate the two.

Then are free to step back.
People go astray for different reasons.
We need to get to the root cause and be sure everything we do is in and out of love. Even if it's tough love

 

[VCO]

Jaywalking sign looks like regular walking to me

What does it mean? You cant even walk in America? lol

No, it means YOU HAVE TO USE THE CROSSWALK at the intersection.

She cut across the CORNER.


NOT

But this:

 

[Hevosmies]

aah I get it. Thanks @VCO

We got the same rule here.

 

[BillG]

I used my bank card at a Dairy Queen (fast food joint) in a small town near me....went back to town a few days later and went to pay for something is a farm store and my card was rejected.....I know I had way more than enough in the bank ( I have two bank accounts) and so I said, I will go to the ATM and just get the cash......the ATM seized my card and said see bank manager......SOME punk in the fast food joint had attempted to use my card number to pull a few grand out of my account and they had frozen my account.....I was so pi----- off......I would have given him a good Marine beat down had I caught him or known who it was......(the flesh speaking) so....15 minutes and had a new card made and account was fine.....HAVE never lost a card in my life....am a global hawk

I would Hope after the beating prayer for healing would have followed.

How can you get a new card after 15 minutes?
We have to wait a week over here.

I'm using my phone more and more now to pay.
I'm waiting for the new range of hybrid watches to come out.
You can use the watch to pay.
By that I don't mean trade the watch but show it to scanner thingy.

 

[Argueless]

Winner, winner chicken dinner.............the church of self saving I can lose my salvation drivel <--TCOSSICLMCD on the corner of devalue JESUS lane.....

...We know that we have come to know him if we OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever CLAIMS to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID. 1 John 2:3-6

...the kingdom of God is not a matter of TALK but of POWER. 1 Corinthians 4:20

As the body without the spirit is DEAD, so FAITH without WORKS is also DEAD. James 2:14-26

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You still refuse to answer my question?

...Then ask many more questions.....

Followed by the implication I don't walk upright and that I need conviction?

Go back and look at the previous accounts, you will see they all did the same thing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I really don't understand why this should be argued...... especially this long

1.) Every man is tempted
2) temptation isn't a sin
3.) God said he would give me an escape route so I wouldn't have to sin

But you 2 guys are arguing thatI have no option but to be rebellious and give into temptation and sin.

I will stick with God on this one and believe his word

no option? When did we say this. You like tryng to tell us what we are saying don’t you?

What we are saying is any person who claims they at least 1 time a day, for a few minutes does not put their needs above others, something is wrong

Can you think of what might be wrong?

Again, your thinking of overt sins, we are not thinking of overt sins, thats why you can not comprehend what we are saying

 

[BillG]

Oh I love my Nespresso.
I make cappuccino with it. Yummy.
I get it personally delivered by George.
I wonder if the Americans will even know what I mean??
Did you know that the big actors that do commercials here
wouldn't even dream of doing commercials in the states.
May it never be!

We used to have the Dulco Gusto.
We recently got rid of it as more coffee was being drunk and the plastic was building up.

So we bought a proper coffee making machine.
It wasn't cheap but we worked out we would recover the cost within a year but have proper coffee per the coffee outlets like Starbucks.

I did write to Claudia Schiffer once and asked her if she would deliver my Dulce Gusto coffee.

My restraining order expires next month.
I'm gonna ask again as I have a proper coffee machine now.

 

[Argueless]

But I am afraid that just as Eve was DECEIVED by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be LED ASTRAY from your sincere and pure DEVOTION TO CHRIST. (see john 14:15-24 & luke 6:46) 2 Corinthians 11:3

Why do you think that BELIEVERS were warned not to be DECEIVED?

...He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

“Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who HEARS THE WORD and at once RECEIVES IT with joy. But since he has NO ROOT, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly FALLS AWAY. The one who RECEIVED THE SEED that fell among the thorns is the man who HEARS THE WORD, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it UNFRUITFUL. But the one who RECEIVED THE SEED that fell on good soil is the man who HEARS THE WORD and UNDERSTANDS IT. He PRODUCES A CROP, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”

The Parable of the Weeds
...Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in HIS FIELD. But while everyone was sleeping, HIS ENEMY came and SOWED WEEDS AMONG THE WHEATS, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. LET BOTH GROW TOGETHER UNTIL THE HARVEST. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’” Matthew 13:11-30

Both the weeds and wheat grow in the same FIELD.

...The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and THEY WILL WEED OUT OF HIS KINGDOM everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. Matthew 13:38-43

Who will the angels WEED OUT of GOD'S KINGDOM? Aren't they supposed to belong to GOD'S kingdom first before they can be weeded out of it?

...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and MANY FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND DECEIVE MANY PEOPLE. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,(becoming DISOBEDIENT, because LOVE IS WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS) but he who STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:10-14

....“I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF MY GOD. Remember, therefore, what you have RECEIVED and HEARD; OBEY IT, and REPENT. But if you do not WAKE UP, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

The church is the BODY OF CHRIST whom He will SAVE. Ephesians 5:23 WEEDED OUT OF every wickedness

So to those who reject and nullify God's word and refuse to take heed of God's warnings about the appearance of the DECEIVER with his FALSE CHRISTS, PROPHETS AND .TEACHERS, the LIARS who do not have the TRUTH in them...DO NOT BE ARROGANT BUT BE AFRAID… For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE WILL NOT SPARE YOU EITHER. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, PROVIDED THAT YOU CONTINUE in his kindness. Otherwise, YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF. Romans 11:21-22 ...The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be CUT DOWN AND THROWN INTO THE FIRE.” Luke 3:7-9

 

[eternally-gratefull]

no one here thinks we should not walk like God

So you believe we can walk like Jesus, that is good.
I only ask individuals what they believe and then respond.

Some would say walking like Jesus is perfection so impossible. Do you believe so, or do you have
faith through the cross we are being transformed into His likeness?

It is impossible. Your not God,

It would be good for your soul,for you to stop thinking you can be, and start instead focus on loving others.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Impression

A believer (sinner) in faith is ok
To point out their sin, whatever it is evil
To suggest they should walk like Jesus, judgemental they are not

Scripture says this
A follower of Jesus should go good and not evil. 1 Peter 3:12-14
A follower of Jesus should repent of their sin, and if they sin, confess it and ask for healing James 5:16
A follower of Jesus should be careful not to be tempted or fall Galatians 6:1
A follower of Jesus should strive to walk like Jesus and sow to the Spirit and not to the flesh Galatians 6:8
A follower of Jesus should confront other believers in sin and pray with them for repentance and restitution Galatians 6:1

So it appears a believer sinner will reject Gods ways and His way of dealing with sinful actions and
getting right with God. He will feel condemned, judged by a follower of Jesus obeying Christ.

However members react to this probably declares where they are between these two groups.
Sadly the groups are with Jesus and against Him because the Lord does not stand with evil doers but the
righteous.