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dcontroversal

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Vice Versa.
Yet do you see me being rude and insulting to you?

The only time I recall doing so I apologized to you.

Disagreement in theology is not being rude or insulting by the way.

Like I said....he is only here to bloviate and or argue....he for sure peddles a false ideology and no truth.....
 

calibob

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Well, I don't know about 2,000 years ago but I was adopted in 1957. Their were no conditions on my part. I was a baby but they chose to love me, feed me and care for me before I was able to understand anything. They loved me first. That's my example.
 

FollowHisSteps

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I want you to know that I do not disagree that obedience is unified with your faith. You can not have either without the other, but I completely disagree if you're proposing one is able to lose their salvation due to a lack or misunderstanding of deeds or actions deemed righteous and judged by man to be that of God.
The physical manifestation of your faith is works right? What if I were a paraplegic and physically unable to conjure the manifestation of the appearance of good works?
For the crowd asked Jesus "what shall we do to do the works of God?" He replied "Believe on the one he has sent."
Amen about obedience then.
Salvation is about our walk, the strength of faith we have in Jesus.
My concern is about people walking with Jesus and how transformation into the likeness
of Christ is central to our walk. Walking the path is eternal, it is the reason why we are saved,
it is the fulfilment of eternity. As I have grown in faith, life, love and walking, I have grown to
see it is all centred on our abiding in His word, sowing to the Spirit and dwelling in praise.
Good works, words of faith, victory flow from this, like a tree bears fruit if watered, it is not
something one doubts it will happen.

So I am less concerned about the theology and more about the realisation of Christ in us.
And good works are the fruit, confession of ideas and words that reflect he reality of the
word of Christ within our hearts. Everyone will find a way, because meeting Jesus becomes
ones passion and the desire to share is unstoppable. Amen.
 

dcontroversal

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"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:"
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If I give someone a shirt.....and say it is eternal....

Then see them again 7 years later and I decide to rip the shirt off of them and burn it....

Was it a gift?
Was it eternal?


Did I not steal from them?
Was I not a lying?
Amen....glad to have your sword in this thread.....
 
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UnderGrace

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Until you believe how truly Free you are, you are still in bondage

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
John 8:36

Mixing law and grace, truly a most repugnant teaching......to posit that Christ does not set us free
 

calibob

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Amen about obedience then.
Salvation is about our walk, the strength of faith we have in Jesus.
My concern is about people walking with Jesus and how transformation into the likeness
of Christ is central to our walk. Walking the path is eternal, it is the reason why we are saved,
it is the fulfilment of eternity. As I have grown in faith, life, love and walking, I have grown to
see it is all centred on our abiding in His word, sowing to the Spirit and dwelling in praise.
Good works, words of faith, victory flow from this, like a tree bears fruit if watered, it is not
something one doubts it will happen.

So I am less concerned about the theology and more about the realisation of Christ in us.
And good works are the fruit, confession of ideas and words that reflect he reality of the
word of Christ within our hearts. Everyone will find a way, because meeting Jesus becomes
ones passion and the desire to share is unstoppable. Amen.
If you are going to cut and paste other peoples words at least give them the credit. Plagiarism is un-Christ like. He even quoted the word and made it known. You did not quote or give credit to the author and it's not from any translation I recognize. The sentence breaks are odd and obvious.
 

FollowHisSteps

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If you are going to cut and paste other peoples words at least give them the credit. Plagiarism is un-Christ like. He even quoted the word and made it known. You did not quote or give credit to the author and it's not from any translation I recognize. The sentence breaks are odd and obvious.
calibob it is all mine. So I am curious, who do you think I plagiarised?
If you think this is plagiarised, ie of a quality you did not expect, thank you truly.
I am not joking by the way, this is from my heart just written out. God bless you.
 
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Let me tell you.....attacking @Rosemaryx is not a good idea pal.....she is one of the nicest, most loving people on this site with her head on straight....I suggest you treat her fair and nice.......:mad:
Remember, she will be very offensive to him, Because she repented from his gospel and found Christ. She is his mortal enemy.
 

calibob

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They loved me first. That's my example.[/QUOTE]

Further more; When I discovered I was abandoned and adopted It didn't cause me to turn my back on the only parents I ever knew. No! I caused me to appreciate them more. All of us should learn to appreciate the grace bestowed upon us and not question Gods love for us or try and make it conditional. Unlike the grace my earthly family that cannot be revoked due to our inability to alter time. God can alter time but dosn't. He made time. He surely can change it. He chooses not to and it's his prerogative to do as he sees fit. Just be thankful he remains on course for those who love and serve him and are called according to his purpose. (old bible study memory verse.)
 

calibob

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calibob it is all mine. So I am curious, who do you think I plagiarised?
If you think this is plagiarised, ie of a quality you did not expect, thank you truly.
I am not joking by the way, this is from my heart just written out. God bless you.
By the appearance, sentence, paragraph and line breaks it sure looks like a cut and paste to me. I apologize if I'm wrong but it looks like a hasty compilation or literary collage.
IE. "Judas went and hanged himself."
"Go ye and do likewise."

Thats how I was taught to look for signs of a false gospel or false teacher 35 years ago.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Until you believe how truly Free you are, you are still in bondage
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
John 8:36
Mixing law and grace, truly a most repugnant teaching......to posit that Christ does not set us free
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
Romans 6:22

1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.
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4 who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:1-2,4

Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law
Romans 13:10

We are under the law of the Spirit, but set free from the law of sin and death.
 

YourTruthGod

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Our works are dung.
King James Bible
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Paul is calling his circumcision and education now dung.
Paul isn't saying it is dung to obey Jesus.