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BillG

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Noose peddles a losable salvation or one that must be maintained
My understanding is that Noose does not peddle a losable salvation.
That's not given until Jesus judges us.
Therefore no salvation to begin with.
It's only given when Jesus judges our works.

I believe salvation is the end of a process and not the beginning as you do
 
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Remember David every action,ever word of disrespect,name calling and derogatory remark you make is recorded in Gods records and if you fail to repent will be held against YOU! I think God can fight His own battles and I believe YOU ARE SELF APPOINTED! None of your responses are according to Christ law of love.Jn3:16 For GOD so LOVED the WORLD that HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON ,that WHOSOEVER believes on HIM shall not perish. YOU should be DIRECTING others to HIS GREAT LOVE! It seems to me as though YOU seek YOUR OWN GLORY! Peace and love!
Your religious blather does not make me fear and or worry......and the judgment call above = zero.............and you are nothing but a judgmental hypocrite.....you say all that to me and then finish with PEACE AND LOVE....HAHAHAHHAHAH wow !
 
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My understanding is that Noose does not peddle a losable salvation.
That's not given until Jesus judges us.
Therefore no salvation to begin with.
It's only given when Jesus judges our works.
Either or is wrong and not scriptural.....so...if God is not leading him who is?
 
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Remember David every action,ever word of disrespect,name calling and derogatory remark you make is recorded in Gods records and if you fail to repent will be held against YOU! I think God can fight His own battles and I believe YOU ARE SELF APPOINTED! None of your responses are according to Christ law of love.Jn3:16 For GOD so LOVED the WORLD that HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON ,that WHOSOEVER believes on HIM shall not perish. YOU should be DIRECTING others to HIS GREAT LOVE! It seems to me as though YOU seek YOUR OWN GLORY! Peace and love!
God's love in action

You hypocrites, white washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men
You generation of snakes who has warned you to flee the wrath to come
You blind leaders of the blind

Do not lecture me and or accuse me of who leads me when I rake false teachers and teaching over the coals...just who do you think you are.....??

You come in here mouthing me, accusing me, accusing my motive, how I respond like you are JESUS in the flesh and my judge and then BLATHER ON OOEY GOOEY LOVE AND PEACE like you are responding out of love and peace when YOUR VERY actions are WAY WORSE and SINFUL than the little heat and sarcasm I dish out.....GO get the LOG out of your hypocritical eye before you even worry about the splinter in mine....
 

Leastamongmany

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Your religious blather does not make me fear and or worry......and the judgment call above = zero.............and you are nothing but a judgmental hypocrite.....you say all that to me and then finish with PEACE AND LOVE....HAHAHAHHAHAH wow !



Who is ANGRY here? It isn't me and I havent been abusive to you either! I have tried to be peaceable to you,you refused! Now it is on you,dc.
 
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I guess we can say what we want, judge everyone and then add.....LOVE AND PEACE and three hearts and it justifies our actions....

Maybe I should do that......LOVE PEACE XXXOOO
 

Leastamongmany

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God's love in action

You hypocrites, white washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men
You generation of snakes who has warned you to flee the wrath to come
You blind leaders of the blind

Do not lecture me and or accuse me of who leads me when I rake false teachers and teaching over the coals...just who do you think you are.....??

You come in here mouthing me, accusing me, accusing my motive, how I respond like you are JESUS in the flesh and my judge and then BLATHER ON OOEY GOOEY LOVE AND PEACE like you are responding out of love and peace when YOUR VERY actions are WAY WORSE and SINFUL than the little heat and sarcasm I dish out.....GO get the LOG out of your hypocritical eye before you even worry about the splinter in mine....


Poor poor dc someone spat in his wheaties! You have called me a hypocrite among other names! I am a child of God,born into the kingdom by the blood of my saviour JESUS GOD'S ONLY SON is exactly who I KNOW I AM,you I don't know so much about. I have as much right as you to post MY OPINION and agree or disagree with whomever I choose! Peace and love!
 

Leastamongmany

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I guess we can say what we want, judge everyone and then add.....LOVE AND PEACE and three hearts and it justifies our actions....

Maybe I should do that......LOVE PEACE XXXOOO


You are a sad sad man! If you felt judgement that also is on you! God knows the intent of my heart and I bear YOU no ill will. No one can make another person do ANYTHING! You seem to come across with control issues. I leave you to it then! Peace and love!
 

VCO

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Maybe you don't understand what you quoted is against you or maybe you have been deceived.

Luke 10:
25One day an expert in the law stood up to test Him. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26“What is written in the Law?” Jesus replied. “How do you read it?”

27He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’c and ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’d

28“You have answered correctly,” Jesus said. “Do this and you will live.”

29But wanting to justify himself, he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30Jesus took up this question and said, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him, beat him, and went away, leaving him half dead.

Jesus is not going to love your neighbor for you, in fact, the needy neighbor is a test Jesus gives you.



Luke 10:27 (HCSB)
27 He answered: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.

NOTICE: It was the person who answered the question Jesus put to him, NOT JESUS, as red ink would signify.


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THANK YOU, for at least making verse 27, in bold 18 font size, which is exactly what I would do. You Cannot LIVE UP to the STANDARD. So what are you going to DO ? ? ?

I will try one more time to teach you to use tools to find what it is actually saying, (however I suspect you will still ignore it.)

The Phrase Thou shalt Love is a one word phrase that is derived from the word AGAPE in the Greek, and it is agapao.

In Rom. 5:5, which may be foolishness in your mind, GOD had the Holy Spirit Pour GOD's Love directly Into our heart, which is a synonym for Human Spirit. The same is true about the Heart in the VERSE in Luke 10:27. Since it appears YOU have never been Born again, it is IMPOSSIBLE for YOU to Love to that DEGREE as HE is describing here. You have to have been BORN AGAIN, birthing your Human Spirit (HEART) with an Eternally Alive HEART or Human Spirit. That will come, when YOU SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE in Self Efforts, and come to HIM Mourning and Weeping over your Utter Sinfulness. And RECEIVE JESUS as your LORD, meaning MASTER. You have to be BORN AGAIN to LOVE like that.

This may help you understand. When GOD's LOVE enters your HEART, it is a SEED in the Fertile Soil There. THAT SEED WILL PRODUCE THE SAME KIND OF LOVE AS THE PARENT SEED. Thus, only when you are BORN AGAIN, can you LOVE like GOD LOVES. That is AGAPE LOVE. Until then, you can only love like any human being can love. THAT IS WHY YOU NEED TO DEPEND ON GOD's LOVE PLANTED IN YOUR HEART.

So that kind of LOVE is AGAPE LOVE. The very next phrase is: with all your soul. The word Soul, can have Different Meanings, but in this Context it has the meaning of Human Mind, and I can prove that to you.

Luke 12:19 (NKJV)
19 And I will say to my soul, "Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry." '

Here is Jesus making an analogy where HE is talking about a man debating in his human mind, which HE calls the SOUL.
And Here is an example of HIM calling HIS HUMAN MIND, SOUL.


John 12:27 (NKJV)
27 "Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour.


Therefore, what HE is saying in Luke 10:27 is:

You shall with GODLY LOVE, LOVE GOD with ALL YOUR HUMAN SPIRIT, ALL OF YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL OF YOUR STRENGTH.

Now can you see the impossibility of that task ? ? ?

Philippians 4:13 (NKJV)
13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.


NOW DO YOU SEE THE FOOLISHNESS OF MAKING THE STATEMENT OF
"I had rather do it out of my own efforts, than rely on God to do it through me."


GOD's STANDARDS are way higher than you can ever hope to achieve through your OWN EFFORTS.

Yes, we FAIL through our own efforts, but THROUGH JESUS, HE already paid for that FAILURE on the Cross.
 

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AMEN....how many rounds did we have.....and yet I did not give up on you because you were open to the truth and you dealt with my approach......I am amazed at how easily people are offended at the truth or even one that responds in a manner similar to the men of the bible....JESUS, JOHN the Dipper, Elijah, Paul, and others were at times very HARD and used very pointed words, names, sarcasm and heat to wade into those that flat refused the truth and or those that stood against the truth....anyone can follow me and see that when people are open, non accusatory, and do not embellish or twist what I say I have no problem playing nice.....but when they do the exact opposite I WILL WADE IN and will not spare.......and if people cannot handle a little of this on a web site....they are going to be in REAL trouble when it really gets hot for believers..........

Bro, God used you in my life.

I had very thin skin but God always convicts me if I am dishonest or hypocritical....


I could not in good spirits point my finger at sarcasm when I started towards you very disrespectfully. I put you under a microscope though.

I did indeed believe you were a soldier for sin.

There is this bitter... disgusting taste left in my mouth when exposed to a false worldly religious love for God.....


"Oh God loves me but He made me gay so there is nothing wrong with me marrying a man." (or living in fornication)


So I came at you (unknowingly) trying to trap you, and everytime I felt like I did... you were just honest and addressed all my points.

Sometimes my heart told me I am wrong in this one point.


So I would apologise for my behavior but still felt I was correct that salvation is not given to those who in my mind I lumped you with....


You were the first of many of Gods children to challenge me honestly and not shy away to my words... or give me praise for my "wisdom"....

Then after many hours of debate..study....prayer....

I learned that I was in need of someone higher than man to help me with Gods word....


I prayed to be delivered from biased understandings and lose every belief not of God

God started opening my eyes more and more....

Then the scriptures opened up in a whole new way....

God is not powerless, and that false religious sort are not to be lumped with those who TRULY trust in Christ for salvation....

He changes us from the inside out...

You played a huge part in helping God show me the difference between dead works for the cause of salvation...and His mighty works in us after we have been freely given eternal life.

You are a sad sad man! If you felt judgement that also is on you! God knows the intent of my heart and I bear YOU no ill will. No one can make another person do ANYTHING! You seem to come across with control issues. I leave you to it then! Peace and love!

This brother has been fighting wolves, helping the blind and lost, as well as sapplings for years.

Some of those you agree with have been banned multiple times and come back wearing masks and push false doctrines.

This brother has no I'll will towards you either.


Just because God often uses this brother as a loud voice against to the wolves doesn't mean it is not in love.


If you would stop pointing your finger and have an open and civil discussion of God's word you could learn a thing or two ma'am.
 

Leastamongmany

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Bro, God used you in my life.

I had very thin skin but God always convicts me if I am dishonest or hypocritical....


I could not in good spirits point my finger at sarcasm when I started towards you very disrespectfully. I put you under a microscope though.

I did indeed believe you were a soldier for sin.

There is this bitter... disgusting taste left in my mouth when exposed to a false worldly religious love for God.....


"Oh God loves me but He made me gay so there is nothing wrong with me marrying a man." (or living in fornication)


So I came at you (unknowingly) trying to trap you, and everytime I felt like I did... you were just honest and addressed all my points.

Sometimes my heart told me I am wrong in this one point.


So I would apologise for my behavior but still felt I was correct that salvation is not given to those who in my mind I lumped you with....


You were the first of many of Gods children to challenge me honestly and not shy away to my words... or give me praise for my "wisdom"....

Then after many hours of debate..study....prayer....

I learned that I was in need of someone higher than man to help me with Gods word....


I prayed to be delivered from biased and lose every belief not of God

God started opening my eyes more and more....

Then the scriptures opened up in a whole new way....

God is not powerless, and that false religious sort are not to be lumped with those who TRULY trust in Christ for salvation....

He changes us from the inside out...

You played a huge part in helping God show me the difference between dead works for the cause of salvation...and His mighty works in us after we have been freely given eternal life.




This brother has been fighting wolves, helping the blind and lost, as well as sapplings for years.

Some of those you agree with have been banned multiple times and come back wearing masks and push false doctrines.

This brother has no I'll will towards you either.


Just because God often uses this brother as a loud voice against to the wolves doesn't mean it is not in love.


If you would stop pointing your finger and have an open and civil discussion of God's word you could learn a thing or two ma'am.

I am not above learning! I would like a teacher though! I WOULD NOT SIT UNDER SUCH AS THIS MAN TO TEACH ME HOW TO SPIT! The Holy Spirit teaches me thru the word and prayer! I have also learned much from many here,BUT ALL WAS SAID IN LOVE! LOVE IN REACHING ,TEACHING AND PREACHING IS A MUST! Peace and love🌞🌞🌞
 

VCO

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It is important that you don't concentrate on the trap these people were trying to lay or what they thought but look at what Jesus says with regards to the critical question because what Jesus says is a teaching that informs our understanding on the same.

Jesus said love thy God with all thy strength and also love they neighbor to attain eternal life.

Instead of using so many words to argue, you need to be explaining how this (what Jesus told him) is not true.

Or, let me simply ask you, do you believe that by loving God with all your heart and loving your neighbor you'll will attain eternal life?
WRONG MOTIVE ON THAT LAST SENTENCE. Eternal Life is a Free Gift for those who BELIEVE, NOT something earned by your obedience:

John 6:47 (HCSB)
47 “I assure you: Anyone who believes has eternal life.

John 3:36 (HCSB)
36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
 

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@dcontroversal I know it get's tiring bro... I was once one of those who would falsely accuse you...

but you come here day in and day out in this thread you made to give glory to JESUS and stifle attempts man makes to steal it...


you come to help sapplings understand and have assurance in the promises of God

I see you bro.

God knows your heart.



Are you perfect?
Nah....

But He who is loves you, and wants you to be a shining light...

He wants all of us to be lights that shine brightly to expose His lovs in us and the truth in His,word


and I'm happy to call you my brother



may God help all of His who are here to be honest with ourselves

examine ourselves honestly and walk in the spirit of truth


not only love for those who we agree with

but wanting the best for those here who need to learn the truth



God bless you bro
 

VCO

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If i wanted to talk about lust, i would have said 'lust' instead of love. Lust is not a category of love. There's also no such thing as love which is less than what God requires of you.
God's command is not burdensome.
The Bible was NOT WRITTEN IN ENGLISH. The New Testament was Written in GREEK.
 

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I am not above learning! I would like a teacher though! I WOULD NOT SIT UNDER SUCH AS THIS MAN TO TEACH ME HOW TO SPIT! The Holy Spirit teaches me thru the word and prayer! I have also learned much from many here,BUT ALL WAS SAID IN LOVE! LOVE IN REACHING ,TEACHING AND PREACHING IS A MUST! Peace and love🌞🌞🌞

Please, take some time to consider why you have such anger towards him.

He is a child of God.... and if you are too, realize you two will be in heaven together forever.



If you two don't mesh, I'd never ask you to sit under me... I'm kinda heavy.

But we can sit side by side and talk.



Brother dave made this thread to give glory to Jesus


Take a quick glance at the number of posts and you'll notice this has been going on for a long time.


Many who are veeeery stubborn have come here and needed tough love... some have needed a gentle hand.... many need both depending on where they are in their walk.
 

OneOfHis

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@Leastamongmany

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:"
___________
If I give someone a shirt.....and say it is eternal....

Then see them again 7 years later and I decide to rip the shirt off of them and burn it....

Was it a gift?
Was it eternal?


Did I not steal from them?
Was I not a lying?
 

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Luke 10:27 (HCSB)
27 He answered: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.

NOTICE: It was the person who answered the question Jesus put to him, NOT JESUS, as red ink would signify.


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THANK YOU, for at least making verse 27, in bold 18 font size, which is exactly what I would do. You Cannot LIVE UP to the STANDARD. So what are you going to DO ? ? ?

I will try one more time to teach you to use tools to find what it is actually saying, (however I suspect you will still ignore it.)

The Phrase Thou shalt Love is a one word phrase that is derived from the word AGAPE in the Greek, and it is agapao.

In Rom. 5:5, which may be foolishness in your mind, GOD had the Holy Spirit Pour GOD's Love directly Into our heart, which is a synonym for Human Spirit. The same is true about the Heart in the VERSE in Luke 10:27. Since it appears YOU have never been Born again, it is IMPOSSIBLE for YOU to Love to that DEGREE as HE is describing here. You have to have been BORN AGAIN, birthing your Human Spirit (HEART) with an Eternally Alive HEART or Human Spirit. That will come, when YOU SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE in Self Efforts, and come to HIM Mourning and Weeping over your Utter Sinfulness. And RECEIVE JESUS as your LORD, meaning MASTER. You have to be BORN AGAIN to LOVE like that.

This may help you understand. When GOD's LOVE enters your HEART, it is a SEED in the Fertile Soil There. THAT SEED WILL PRODUCE THE SAME KIND OF LOVE AS THE PARENT SEED. Thus, only when you are BORN AGAIN, can you LOVE like GOD LOVES. That is AGAPE LOVE. Until then, you can only love like any human being can love. THAT IS WHY YOU NEED TO DEPEND ON GOD's LOVE PLANTED IN YOUR HEART.

So that kind of LOVE is AGAPE LOVE. The very next phrase is: with all your soul. The word Soul, can have Different Meanings, but in this Context it has the meaning of Human Mind, and I can prove that to you.

Luke 12:19 (NKJV)
19 And I will say to my soul, "Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry." '

Here is Jesus making an analogy where HE is talking about a man debating in his human mind, which HE calls the SOUL.
And Here is an example of HIM calling HIS HUMAN MIND, SOUL.


John 12:27 (NKJV)
27 "Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour.


Therefore, what HE is saying in Luke 10:27 is:

You shall with GODLY LOVE, LOVE GOD with ALL YOUR HUMAN SPIRIT, ALL OF YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL OF YOUR STRENGTH.

Now can you see the impossibility of that task ? ? ?

Philippians 4:13 (NKJV)
13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.


NOW DO YOU SEE THE FOOLISHNESS OF MAKING THE STATEMENT OF
"I had rather do it out of my own efforts, than rely on God to do it through me."


GOD's STANDARDS are way higher than you can ever hope to achieve through your OWN EFFORTS.

Yes, we FAIL through our own efforts, but THROUGH JESUS, HE already paid for that FAILURE on the Cross.
Loving your neighbor is not an impossible task, i don't know where you get the idea that it is impossible love your neighbor.
The Lord has said His command is not burdensome meaning that we can obey Him and keep His command to love.

The Lord does not command you to do anything and then accomplish it for you, if He accomplishes it for you, it will not be a command. But it is a command and we need to obey. How can we be obedient if we don't keep a command?
 

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Romans 8:2-4 -

"2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 [In order] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us [not "BY" us], who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."


Romans 8:7-8 -

"7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."


Romans 8:9a,11 -

"9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. [...]
[...]
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken [*G2227 - zoopoiesei] your mortal bodies [<--the ones we still live in! in the here and now!] by [means of] his Spirit that dwelleth in you."


*G2227 - zoopoiesei/zóopoieó - "vitalize, enliven, animate, empower with divine life"