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Here is a post I marvel at.
A believer who says they cannot continue in sin and be saved, Amen.
Yet they will call me a liar, and accuse me of slander etc.
Obviously they mean something very different than traditional faith, or else they could not
write such words and be so antagonistic. Not surprising things end up so confused and disjointed.
And I have met many people in my time, but this is literally absurd.
A believer who says they cannot continue in sin and be saved, Amen.
Yet they will call me a liar, and accuse me of slander etc.
Obviously they mean something very different than traditional faith, or else they could not
write such words and be so antagonistic. Not surprising things end up so confused and disjointed.
And I have met many people in my time, but this is literally absurd.
You are talking about yourself, and I think is true what you say ... but when somebody thinks of himself, that he is already saved and he won't loose what he supposely had already, then that person can easily fall in sins and believe it doesn't matter ... I can see that here a lot.
PD: Again, sorry for my English.
PD: Again, sorry for my English.
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Bolded ignores being born again and the chastening of our Father in Heaven.
That sort to me did not get what I got when I was saved, sealed, and made new.
Sin is MISSING the mark to a saved believer. A failure, much different than a joyful thing to practice with no chastening from God..... God chastens ALL of His children.
Hebrews 12:7-8
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
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As a side note, when someone throws a slop bucket over you, it seems slightly absurd
to go through the lumps and address each one. The action speaks for itself.
And once you can throw things without even noticing, and thinking this is normal behaviour,
like all believers do this every day, one should know something is seriously wrong.
If you have ever seen nurses in hospital, you begin to see what we are called to be, and
how we will meet many wounded who will do terrible things, without any register of
problems, and because of our Lord, we can walk on. God bless you all.
to go through the lumps and address each one. The action speaks for itself.
And once you can throw things without even noticing, and thinking this is normal behaviour,
like all believers do this every day, one should know something is seriously wrong.
If you have ever seen nurses in hospital, you begin to see what we are called to be, and
how we will meet many wounded who will do terrible things, without any register of
problems, and because of our Lord, we can walk on. God bless you all.
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Talking about myself?
I am talking about what the word says.
The word says if we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves
The word says whoever sins has never seen God or known him, Whoever has been born of God cannot sin (live on or habitual)
The words says many claim to have faith, But they show zero works. ( faith without any works) with the question, Can that CLAIMED faith (or as James put it, mere belief) save. And his answer was no the faith was dead, it had no power)
If eternal security gives us power to sin, what does non eternal security give? I will tell you because I lived it.
1. It makes you hide your sin
2. It makes you water down the law and hang out with people who commit the same sins you like
3. It makes you extremely judgmental. You start lookin gat people who commit what you deem as extreme sin (sexual sin/muder rape etc etc) and say to yourself, your not that bad so your ok.
4. It makes you deny you have any sin, meaning you have lost the ability to judge yourself. And realise just how sinful you are
5. The other extreme it causes, It makes you a person who has a conscious, knowing you can not meet Gods standard you know you are supposed to meet, thus you walk away from God powerless, because you can not do it.
Eternal security actually increases your faith, and makes you want to serve God MORE as you realise just how MUCH you are forgiven, it also makes you HATE SIN more.
I am talking about what the word says.
The word says if we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves
The word says whoever sins has never seen God or known him, Whoever has been born of God cannot sin (live on or habitual)
The words says many claim to have faith, But they show zero works. ( faith without any works) with the question, Can that CLAIMED faith (or as James put it, mere belief) save. And his answer was no the faith was dead, it had no power)
If eternal security gives us power to sin, what does non eternal security give? I will tell you because I lived it.
1. It makes you hide your sin
2. It makes you water down the law and hang out with people who commit the same sins you like
3. It makes you extremely judgmental. You start lookin gat people who commit what you deem as extreme sin (sexual sin/muder rape etc etc) and say to yourself, your not that bad so your ok.
4. It makes you deny you have any sin, meaning you have lost the ability to judge yourself. And realise just how sinful you are
5. The other extreme it causes, It makes you a person who has a conscious, knowing you can not meet Gods standard you know you are supposed to meet, thus you walk away from God powerless, because you can not do it.
Eternal security actually increases your faith, and makes you want to serve God MORE as you realise just how MUCH you are forgiven, it also makes you HATE SIN more.
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The HS draws by using other people. Then explaining to the person hearing what is being said. He aso convicts us of our sin, and always points to Christ.
I believe the HS can work on some for just a few months, and they repent, others I think the HS spends years drwing them, and eventually they repent
Others, I Believe he draws and calls for many many years, and they die having never repented.
Is this what you wanted?
I believe the HS can work on some for just a few months, and they repent, others I think the HS spends years drwing them, and eventually they repent
Others, I Believe he draws and calls for many many years, and they die having never repented.
Is this what you wanted?
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Thank you for asking and not assuming, we get to much of that in here
It is seen in a few possibilities
The licentious. They believe in jesus and God believe he even died on the cross. But refuse to repent, they say a prayer and think they are saved, yet are hearers only not doers.. Their faiht is dead.
Legalist. They believe in Jesus and God, and even believe Jesus died on the cross. But their faith is in their works. They teach obedience, and how we must maitnain our salvation by works, failure to live up to some standard will cause our eventual salvation to be lost or never realised.
Both believe, Neither have true saving faith, because neither has truly repented.
It is seen in a few possibilities
The licentious. They believe in jesus and God believe he even died on the cross. But refuse to repent, they say a prayer and think they are saved, yet are hearers only not doers.. Their faiht is dead.
Legalist. They believe in Jesus and God, and even believe Jesus died on the cross. But their faith is in their works. They teach obedience, and how we must maitnain our salvation by works, failure to live up to some standard will cause our eventual salvation to be lost or never realised.
Both believe, Neither have true saving faith, because neither has truly repented.
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Some people have a belief that can not be described like faith can.
Trust
Confidence
lets say someone believes the best football player in the world is ... steve....
then this same person sees jack play football and changes his mind....
this fleeting "belief" is far different from the belief or that fire is hot
when someone truly believes in God
they are made new
there is evidence even if only inward at first
I am sure you have felt the heat of fire.... and I could in no way convince you to jump in a lake of it
you trust it will be hot
you have confidence it will be hot
the same way someone with trust and confidence in Jesus
have felt the Holy spirit
and know He is who He says
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Roll up, roll up, eternal security here, increases your faith, makes you want God more, realise
you are forgiven and hate sin more.
Notice you are saved already, you just need this whiter than white belief system, for extra
grade salvation ......
This is quite a shift from you guys are hell bound dooming yourselves and others to hell.
Some will say this if you believe some fall away from faith, maybe eternally.
Personally I listen to Jesus. Believe in Him and you are saved, abide in the vine and you abide
in the Kingdom. Do we need to know more? It is about us growing and dwelling in Him, which
is probably the real issue, when barren times of faith or reality come into our lives, and things
seem so distant. But maybe a little more honesty might help and talking about times of testing
and focus, would begin to address our lives properly.
you are forgiven and hate sin more.
Notice you are saved already, you just need this whiter than white belief system, for extra
grade salvation ......
This is quite a shift from you guys are hell bound dooming yourselves and others to hell.
Some will say this if you believe some fall away from faith, maybe eternally.
Personally I listen to Jesus. Believe in Him and you are saved, abide in the vine and you abide
in the Kingdom. Do we need to know more? It is about us growing and dwelling in Him, which
is probably the real issue, when barren times of faith or reality come into our lives, and things
seem so distant. But maybe a little more honesty might help and talking about times of testing
and focus, would begin to address our lives properly.
Amen, we rest in His love and saving grace.
Strangely being a bartender can be a ministry to people in need. It is our ministry to walk in love and just
bring things to Him and pray through them. All I can say is being true to how God convicts your heart, matters.
Peter is our great example. Jesus knew how much Peter loved him, and how we would get confused and wander
away. Yet when it came, Peter came back, and knew Jesus would forgive him. It is this honesty and faith that keeps
us true. I cannot think of "salvation" rather love and its fruit, and how to take the next step. You will simply not
believe how He changes us, as we step out in faith, reach out to others, and let the Spirit flow. God bless you.
Strangely being a bartender can be a ministry to people in need. It is our ministry to walk in love and just
bring things to Him and pray through them. All I can say is being true to how God convicts your heart, matters.
Peter is our great example. Jesus knew how much Peter loved him, and how we would get confused and wander
away. Yet when it came, Peter came back, and knew Jesus would forgive him. It is this honesty and faith that keeps
us true. I cannot think of "salvation" rather love and its fruit, and how to take the next step. You will simply not
believe how He changes us, as we step out in faith, reach out to others, and let the Spirit flow. God bless you.
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