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Hevosmies358

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Yup! n They sure are!

And Bro! I like it how you called em Philistine squatters ima start using that myself! GOOD ONE!

Do you believe biblically speaking that Palestinians = Philistines?

BTW: Dont believe the propaganda the catholics and other replacement theology heretics are putting out there that Jews in Israel hate Christians. NOT TRUE! They treat you like a king. Even the haredi jews are nice, although NOT RECEPTIVE to the Gospel and we know why that is. (BLINDED IN PART UNTIL..... TIMES OF THE GENTILES be fulfilled).
 

dcontroversal

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Yup! n They sure are!

And Bro! I like it how you called em Philistine squatters ima start using that myself! GOOD ONE!

Do you believe biblically speaking that Palestinians = Philistines?

BTW: Dont believe the propaganda the catholics and other replacement theology heretics are putting out there that Jews in Israel hate Christians. NOT TRUE! They treat you like a king. Even the haredi jews are nice, although NOT RECEPTIVE to the Gospel and we know why that is. (BLINDED IN PART UNTIL..... TIMES OF THE GENTILES be fulfilled).
The reason I use Philistine is because Palestine was a Roman word from (Latin) to mean Philistine.......and make no mistake my friend......they WILL ALL perish when it is time....the Land belongs to Israel....not Philistine squatters......HAHAHH

Isaiah 14:29-32 <---read that my friend...off to teach....talk later
 

preston39

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I do not believe that crap for one second.......the bible covers this as well.......

If be become FAITHLESS, HE abides faithful because HE cannot deny HIMSELF........all the salvation losers and self maintainers need to let that last clause sink in.....

Absolute non sense.
You do not understand ...what free will means.
G-d makes no one do anything during this life. One may wish He had done something different because of tribulation allowed upon him.

You constantly make statements without any bible reference.
Reviewers.........be aware.
 

UnderGrace

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Absolute non sense.
You do not understand ...what free will means.
G-d makes no one do anything during this life. One may wish He had done something different because of tribulation allowed upon him.

You constantly make statements without any bible reference.
Reviewers.........be aware.
Actually he did cite scripture

if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
2Timothy 2:13

What I am actually not seeing is a scriptural defense of your position.... umm because there isn't one?:unsure:
 

dcontroversal

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Absolute non sense.
You do not understand ...what free will means.
G-d makes no one do anything during this life. One may wish He had done something different because of tribulation allowed upon him.

You constantly make statements without any bible reference.
Reviewers.........be aware.
Go take your drivilistic crap some place else pal...the only one in this convo that has no understanding and a skewed twisted false dogma....go look in the mirror and you will figure it out....!!
 

dcontroversal

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Actually he did cite scripture

if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
2Timothy 2:13

What I am actually not seeing is a scriptural defense of your position.... umm because there isn't one?:unsure:
I should not even respond to his religious poppycock and idiotic blather.....he is one of the top cake taking falsies on this site....
 

UnderGrace

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A plethora of reasons....

a. Religious persuasion or upbringing
b. Ignorance
c. Obstinate hard head-ism
d. My daddy always believed-ism
e. Rejection of scripture

The list belies the MANY that will come before the throne claiming JESUS as LORD and their right to enter based upon what they have done.......
I have been thinking about this a lot lately.......given such diverse ideas here on CC.

I will state I was indoctrinated with OSAS, and I believed it was true mostly because I had been told it was true and I trusted the person

who told me....... but then I moved beyond the indoctrination and really had that "aha" spiritual moment of it really being revealed to

me by the Holy Spirit in a more personal way through scripture.:)
 

dcontroversal

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I have been thinking about this a lot lately.......given such diverse ideas here on CC.

I will state I was indoctrinated with OSAS, and I believed it was true mostly because I had been told it was true and I trusted the person

who told me....... but then I moved beyond the indoctrination and really had that "aha" spiritual moment of it really being revealed to

me by the Holy Spirit in a more personal way through scripture.:)
AMEN.......I was in "children's church" <---no such thing at 7 and went through the whole "anyone want to be saved raise your hand crap" and then after mumbling a "repeated prayer" that I did not even understand was taken before church as saved and then they immersed me and gave me a bible.......<----how many people will not make it having had this false hope under a "get em saved and add to the roll" theology.......

Anyway....some 12 or 13 years later I realized that I was not saved and actually went to God myself in an honest, truthful prayer in faith.......and a few years later being convicted that my baptism was also invalid after much learning was re-immersed and have not looked back since then......

Jesus saves eternally by faith and it is all his work......this poppycock that we can give it back or forfeit it is ignorant...His righteousness is imputed by faith, we are rendered legally innocent, placed into a position of grace that out runs our sin and HE ABIDES faithful regardless of our stance or walk because HE cannot DENY HIMSELF........HE loses NOTHING, KEEPS US by his power through the faith he BEGINS, FINISHES and COMPLETES in US.......!!!!
 

UnderGrace

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AMEN.......I was in "children's church" <---no such thing at 7 and went through the whole "anyone want to be saved raise your hand crap" and then after mumbling a "repeated prayer" that I did not even understand was taken before church as saved and then they immersed me and given a bible.......<----how many people will not make it having had this false hope under a "get em saved and add to the roll" theology.......

Anyway....some 12 or 13 years later I realized that I was not saved and actually went to God myself in an honest, truthful prayer in faith.......and a few years later being convicted that my baptism was also invalid after much learning was re-immersed and have not looked back since then......

Jesus saves eternally by faith and it is all his work......this poppycock that we can give it back or forfeit it is ignorant...His righteousness is imputed by faith, we are rendered legally innocent, placed into a position of grace that out runs our sin and HE ABIDES faithful regardless of our stance or walk because HE cannot DENY HIMSELF........HE loses NOTHING, KEEPS US by his power through the faith he BEGINS, FINISHES and COMPLETES in US.......!!!!

What more is there to state .... except, Amen and Amen!! :)
 

Hevosmies358

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I have been thinking about this a lot lately.......given such diverse ideas here on CC.
Reason for so many crazy wild ideas is: INTERNET. The guys who come up with that stuff never attend a new testament local church, they are lone wolves and weirdos in the internet.
 

UnderGrace

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Reason for so many crazy wild ideas is: INTERNET. The guys who come up with that stuff never attend a new testament local church, they are lone wolves and weirdos in the internet.
Could be, there are definitely some lone wolves... those that promote their website tend to be those type of people.
 

BillG

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Actually he did cite scripture

if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
2Timothy 2:13

What I am actually not seeing is a scriptural defense of your position.... umm because there isn't one?:unsure:
He never does.
Ask him a question he normally responds with "go read the Bible.

Discipleship???
 

VCO

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Is that where you are at?.....and are the Philistine squatters trying to hurt my Israeli brothers.....

I really learned something today in the Sermon. Our Pastor was on vacation, and we had a Guest Pastor fill in, and he was a Baptist, but Pastor Gil has been friends with him for a long time, and invited him to fill in when he was on Vacation. His Sermon was on
1 Peter 1, which is one of my favorite biblical supports for the OSAS Belief that I have and only quoted 3 verses:

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.


Wow, did I ever short Change YOU ALL, I should have quoted a lot more.

1 Peter 1:2-5 (HCSB)
2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father [backs up 2 Tim. 1:9] and set apart by the Spirit for obedience [that is Sanctification orchestrated by the Holy Spirit IN US, out of our LOVE for HIM] and ⌊for⌋ sprinkling with the blood of Jesus Christ [paid for by the blood of CHRIST]. May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

Our SALVATION was bought and paid for out of the Father's Foreknowledge, The Holy Spirit's working in our Heart to produce Obedience out of GOD's LOVE the that HE POURED INTO OUR HEARTS at the birth of our Human Spirit, and paid for by CHRISTS blood on the Cross. WOW, the entire Holy Trinity was involved in our SALVATION, and we do not get to claim credit for any of it.

3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Now watch how we can tell how our SALVATION IS REAL just by the GODLY LOVE, AND GODLY JOY that HE PUT IN US. I knew for the beginning that GODLY LOVE was an indication that SALVATION WAS REAL, the KIND OF LOVE FOR GOD, that is even GREATER than the LOVE FOR A SPOUSE. However I had NEVER Recognized that GOD GAVE US HIS JOY TOO, a JOY that is way beyond what is Humanly Possible.

1 Peter 1:6-9 (NASB)
6 In this you greatly rejoice [Godly Joy], even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials,
7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
8 and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, [This is a greater joy than can be achieved through self efforts, it comes from GOD.]
9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls. PAST TENSE.


Yes the Sanctification of the body is a LIFE LONG WALK TO FOLLOW JESUS, and will not be complete until we get the Glorified BODY at the resurrection.

BUT OUR SALVATION OF the Human Soul and Spirit is COMPLETE when you were BORN AGAIN.


WOW!

I head a story on Dr. Dobson's radio program years ago, that mentions the GODLY JOY that I was talking about. This business man became a Born Again Christian, and shortly after He became Born Again, he chose to Give His Business to the Lord to do what HE thought was right. A few nights later he received a call from the fire department, and was told there was a big fire at his business. His neighbor was at his house and offered to drive high to his business. When they got there, the business was totally engulfed in flames. Suddenly the business owner started to laugh hysterically, and his friend thought he had LOST IT. So he explained, "I gave this business to the LORD a few nights ago, and told HIM HE could do what he wanted to do with it. I guess, HE decided to Burn it Down."

JOY, in adverse Circumstances usually comes from GOD.
 

VCO

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Absolute non sense.
You do not understand ...what free will means.
G-d makes no one do anything during this life. One may wish He had done something different because of tribulation allowed upon him.

You constantly make statements without any bible reference.
Reviewers.........be aware.


No, you are not understanding:

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.


1 Peter 1:2-9 (NASB)
2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials,
7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
8 and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,
9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.
 

Melach

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this is a good video about once saved always saved. it also says about the misconception that we say you can just sin as much as you want and live in sin.
 

VCO

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Is that where you are at?.....and are the Philistine squatters trying to hurt my Israeli brothers.....


Cannot find that computer game you two are playing. Shoot rockets, Philistine squatters, what is the name of that Game ? ? ?
 

VCO

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this is a good video about once saved always saved. it also says about the misconception that we say you can just sin as much as you want and live in sin.

WHEN IS NON OSAS CAMP GOING TO STOP PEDDLING THAT LIE, ABOUT WHAT US OSAS BELIEVERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE. IF THEIR OFFENCE IS A LIE, ABOUT OUR BELIEFS, THEN AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, THEIR THEOLOGY IS ALSO A LIE.

One Saved Always Saved, believe the Born Again Human Spirit, CHANGES THE CORE OF OUR BEING UPON SPIRITUAL BIRTH, VIA THE HOLY SPIRIT birthing our Human Spirit, to be like HIM, including ETERNAL. If you think you can lose your Salvation, THEN YOU PROBABLY ARE NOT BORN AGAIN, AND YOU CANNOT LOSE WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE.

As we feed on the WORD OF GOD, our human spirit will become STRONGER and STRONGER, and eventually our Human Spirit will dominate the will of the Flesh. Giving the appearance that one is born again, IS NOT THE REAL McCOY. You actually HAVE TO HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, or you are just a Pretender Christian that is not yet Part of US, and here are the PRETENDER CHRISTIANS:

1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.


OSAS Beliefs are these:

John 3:6 (NKJV)
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3:7 (NKJV)
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ' You be born again.'

John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 If you love Me [That GODLY LOVE only happens when you have been BORN AGAIN.],
you
will keep [That is in the Human Born Again Spirit or heart, a permanent controlling change in your attitutude.] My commands.

No we are not perfect at Obeying Him, we are continually striving to obey, and when we fail, we are the one's who eagerly Confess it as SIN.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.

1 Peter 1:6-9 (NASB)
6 In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials,
7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
8 and though you have not seen Him, you love Him [that is GODLY LOVE, from the Holy Spirit pouring GOD's LOVE into your heart (human spirit) sprout the same kind of love within your heart], and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him [Totally, with complete TRUST], you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory [a joy that you cannot achieve on your own, it is GOD given],
9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls. <-- PAST TENSE

AND of course we believe these verses literally TOO.


2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)

9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace,
which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Revelation 3:19-20 (HCSB)
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and discipline. So be committed and repent.
20 Listen! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and have dinner with him, and he with Me.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Titus 3:5-8 (HCSB)
5 He saved us not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
8 This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.


Therefore I proclaim the false idea that OSAS means we believe you can sin all you want after being saved, IS A TOTAL LIE.
 

BillG

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Therefore I proclaim the false idea that OSAS means we believe you can sin all you want after being saved, IS A TOTAL LIE.
Been saying the same for the last few years.
As you have as has DC, UG and so on.

The sad fact is we are still accused of the false lies and accusations.

The even sadder part is that the false accusations and accusers bring out the bing guns.

Murder, adultery, rob a bank and so on.

It does not matter how many times we tell them.

OSAS IS A RED RAG TO A BULL. THAT'S ALL THEY SEE.