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Rosemaryx · Aug 29, 2019

Such security in our LORD and His promises as I read the Book of John , what a wonderful book it is...

We have been given to Jesus by God Almighty , Jesus will NOT cast us out from Him ...
Jesus will NOT lose anyone whom the Father has GIVEN Him...
Everyone of us whom the Father has given to His Son , our LORD Jesus Christ , and believes in Him from our innermost being , Jesus Himself will raise us up on the last day...

John 6:47
Truly truly I say to you ,
he who believes has eternal life ...

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eternally-gratefull · Aug 29, 2019

SoulWeaver said:

Very good question. I will add another:
Can the person who's lost salvation, hear and obey and repent, and be restored?
It would seem like they preach to people, which are hearers but not doers, and have "lost" salvation, to start obeying, so that they are "saved" again. But the Scriptures say that this is mission impossible:

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

If so, to whom are you preaching? If those who have strayed from the Way cannot be restored, to WHOM are you then preaching? Who do you think YOU are saving, if the Scriptures say they can't be saved? Think about it. Don't open your mouth to immediately answer, I mean really think about it.

Can eternal life be lost? If so. Then why is it called eternal life?

John said we can KNOW WE HAVE eternal life.. So if anyone says we do not have it yet, they must disagree with John

eternally-gratefull · Aug 29, 2019

SoulWeaver said:

I think it is talling about a persons faith or lack of.

If you gre up in law. Then try this christian thing out. Then in the end decide you do not have faith in this christian thing, your faith is in law. WIll you ever repent and come back to christianity?

Thats why the warning is so severe.. If you go back, you will never return. (Free will)

SoulWeaver · Aug 29, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

The Bible clearly states that God's people are sanctified way before being born. God foresees our lives in advance! He knows what mess we will become.
This is something really touching for me and moves me to tears. God's love is unspeakable.
And it's also very interesting to ponder that we were in communion with God even before physically living. Basically, Jer 1:5 suggests that we have been in the multitude of voices praising Jesus as God's members and sharing in His ETERNAL life WAY before we were born.

eternally-gratefull · Aug 29, 2019

Grandpa said:

I have gotten that in from being in here.

Its part of their pride..

eternally-gratefull · Aug 29, 2019

Rosemaryx said:

There are so many more

Never hunger, never thirst Given Christ assurance he WILL raise them (not might) we can open a thread about all the promises which is given to all believers from john and it would

eternally-gratefull · Aug 29, 2019

SoulWeaver said:

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

The Bible clearly states that God's people are sanctified way before being born. God foresees our lives in advance! He knows what mess we will become.
This is something really touching for me and moves me to tears. God's love is unspeakable.
And it's also very interesting to ponder that we were in communion with God even before physically living. Basically, Jer 1:5 suggests that we have been in the multitude of voices praising Jesus as God's members and sharing in His ETERNAL life WAY before we were born.

Predestined before time began.

VCO · Aug 29, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

In fact, here is the verse:

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Rosemaryx · Aug 29, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

Hi Brother...
I am loving the book of John at the moment , seeing and reading it with different eyes praise God...
I can now say I know His voice

, I am getting to know our LORD more and more , I think I am having a big growing spurt

...xox...

P.S.
It is like before when I was reading the word , I believe everything because I know it is true , but now it is sinking into my heart , the Scriptures are becoming alive to me if that makes sense...They are renewing my mind in a different way than before...

BillG · Aug 29, 2019

Rosemaryx said:

Praise God,

What you know in your head is now sinking into your heart.
That is why you/we know our Lord more.
What comes from the heart?
Love, and the more our love grows the more we know our lord and therefore grow in relationship which is based on love.

That is what God wants, relationship.
He did not create robots.
If he did not create robots why did he create us.
God is love, he created us to know this love.

Peter grew in love after his restoration.
He moved from brotherly love to unconditional love.

He does not want us to work/obey to be accepted/saved.
That's the world view.

The reverse is that we are obedient because we are accepted and loved and saved.

Rose I thank God for you.

eternally-gratefull · Aug 29, 2019

Rosemaryx said:

Hi Brother...
I am loving the book of John at the moment , seeing and reading it with different eyes praise God...
I can now say I know His voice

, I am getting to know our LORD more and more , I think I am having a big growing spurt

...xox...

P.S.
It is like before when I was reading the word , I believe everything because I know it is true , but now it is sinking into my heart , the Scriptures are becoming alive to me if that makes sense...They are renewing my mind in a different way than before...

Its called being alive sis!!

Rosemaryx · Aug 29, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

Yes it is

When I just read your reply , Scripture came to my mind

It is no longer I who live , but Christ who lives in me...xox...

VCO · Aug 29, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

A lot of people Get confused, thinking that TASTED THE HEAVENLY GIFT, and BECAME COMPANIONS WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, is talking about TRUE CHRISTIANS. IT IS NOT, it is only talking about those who have come close to becoming a REAL CHRISTIAN, but failed TO RECEIVE HIM AS THEIR PERMANENT LORD, meaning MASTER. I like the HCSB, because they chose to use the word "companions", which clarifies that it is not US, because we who have been INDWELT by the Holy Spirit. They are something LESS than a REAL CHRISTIAN.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (HCSB)
4 For it is impossible to renew to repentance those who were once enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift, became companions with the Holy Spirit, [WE HAVE CONSUMED THE HEAVENLY GIFT, AND HAVE BEEN INDWELT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, NOT SOMETHING LESS.]
5 tasted God’s good word and the powers of the coming age,
6 and who have fallen away, because, to their own harm, they are recrucifying the Son of God and holding Him up to contempt.

UnderGrace · Aug 29, 2019

VCO said:

A lot of people Get confused, thinking that TASTED THE HEAVENLY GIFT, and BECAME COMPANIONS WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, is talking about TRUE CHRISTIANS. IT IS NOT, it is only talking about those who have come close to becoming a REAL CHRISTIAN, but failed TO RECEIVE HIM AS THEIR PERMANENT LORD, meaning MASTER. I like the HCSB, because they chose to use the word "companions", which clarifies that it is not US, because we who have been INDWELT by the Holy Spirit. They are something LESS than a REAL CHRISTIAN.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (HCSB)
4 For it is impossible to renew to repentance those who were once enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift, became companions with the Holy Spirit, [WE HAVE CONSUMED THE HEAVENLY GIFT, AND HAVE BEEN INDWELT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, NOT SOMETHING LESS.]
5 tasted God’s good word and the powers of the coming age,
6 and who have fallen away, because, to their own harm, they are recrucifying the Son of God and holding Him up to contempt.

They are believers.
Tasted the heavenly gift is figurative language for being born again.

mailmandan · Aug 29, 2019

VCO said:

A lot of people Get confused, thinking that TASTED THE HEAVENLY GIFT, and BECAME COMPANIONS WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, is talking about TRUE CHRISTIANS. IT IS NOT, it is only talking about those who have come close to becoming a REAL CHRISTIAN, but failed TO RECEIVE HIM AS THEIR PERMANENT LORD, meaning MASTER. I like the HCSB, because they chose to use the word "companions", which clarifies that it is not US, because we who have been INDWELT by the Holy Spirit. They are something LESS than a REAL CHRISTIAN.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (HCSB)
4 For it is impossible to renew to repentance those who were once enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift, became companions with the Holy Spirit, [WE HAVE CONSUMED THE HEAVENLY GIFT, AND HAVE BEEN INDWELT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, NOT SOMETHING LESS.]
5 tasted God’s good word and the powers of the coming age,
6 and who have fallen away, because, to their own harm, they are recrucifying the Son of God and holding Him up to contempt.

You may find these links helpful.

https://www.preceptaustin.org/hebrews_64-5

https://www.preceptaustin.org/hebrews_66

dcontroversal · Aug 29, 2019

VCO said:

Amen to that migo......saved to the UTTERMOST, SEALED with the Spirit UNTO the day of redemption, kept by his power by the faith the HE initiates as the SOURCE OF SAID FAITH DEALT IN MEASURE and he FINISHES and COMPLETES what he started and he shall LOSE NOTHING.....it is ABSURD to believe that a MAN can lose or forfeit salvation in any way, shape or form.

EVEN if we BECOME FAITHLESS (after FAITH that saves) HE ABIDES faithful because HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF.

What salvation losers cannot see to grasp or receive it is the fact that HIS BIRTH, LIFE, DEATH and RESURRECTION are applied UNTO MAN dia FAITH, his righteousness is IMPUTED by FAITH without the deeds/work of the law and when the HEAVENLY FATHER SEES US through the BLOOD of his SON he SEES US AS JUSTIFIED, RIGHTEOUS AND HOLY IN SPIRIT.....AND HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF....we are BORN SPIRITUALLY of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED from above that DOES NOT SIN, IS ETERNAL and FOREVER RIGHTEOUS before the throne....

AND WHEN we sin or fail too many times GOD will whip the crap out of us (chastisement) as SONS and GOD only WHIPS SONS.....think on that real HARD and then apply........!!

Lightskin · Aug 29, 2019

I held a door open for someone today. Hopefully that was good enough to maintain my salvation. smh.

UnderGrace · Aug 29, 2019

Lightskin said:

Not even close to enough!!

My goodness we have low, low standards these days what has happened to the modern day Christian.

You need to carry your cross daily that is the way to salvation.

Poinsetta · Aug 29, 2019

Lightskin said:

I’m in desbelief

Poinsetta · Aug 29, 2019

Poinsetta said:

I wish car people would do the same.

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