Not By Works

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Macabeus said:
Ok. What We have just established is no works necessary to be saved. None whatsoever. No works can maintain our salvation either. That’s God’s part

Would you say that now that you are saved, and you are one of His sheep, and no one can snatch you out of His Hand, you are safe in Christ and have eternal life.

Now read Titus 2:11-14 very thoughtfully and prayerfully.

Do you think we should teach that What this passage teaches as Christ’s intention for us is unnecessary? That He provides it as optional?

Not necessary to save? Agreed. Doesnt maintain salvation. Agreed. That is a done deal. But are we to teach that God’s intention for us as stated in Titus 2:11-14 should be presented as “well, that’s a good thing, but since works don’t save us, it’s not really necessary. It’s entirely optional
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Scripture teaches about the salvation of our soul... so you have the wrong lens not about "option"

Are you changing you view .. do you admit @gb9, @Budman and @dcontroversal and myself are true to the scripture.

The hard technical truth which many cannot accept is if salvation is apart/separate from works then really works whether they are done or not have an entirely different role in the life of the believer.

No works >>>> still saved end of story!!

Why because works are not part of the salvation equation.
 
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Just like eternally grateful said.

“It is impossible for a Christian not to work, it’s part of the new nature.

@Macabeus, I would ask you where does scripture state it is impossible... to me that is a big word.
 
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UnderGrace said:
Scripture teaches about the salvation of our soul... so you have the wrong lens not about "option"

Are you changing you view .. do you admit @gb9, @Budman and @dcontroversal and myself are true to the scripture.

The hard technical truth which many cannot accept is if salvation is apart/separate from works then really works whether they are done or not have an entirely different role in the life of the believer.

No works >>>> still saved end of story!!

Why because works are not part of the salvation equation.
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I have not changed my view. It has been the same from the beginning

Think real hard. Paul said in Titus 2:15 to teach”these things”. The things he is referring to is Titus 2:11-14. Which are the things I’ve been advocating, right

So if I obey Titus 2:15 and teach the things in Titus 2:11-14, why would DC accuse me of twisting the scripture

In fact, watch. The insults, accusations, and name calling will start again. But you think about what I just said

What we win people with is what we win people to. If you teach a gospel that doesn’t accomplish what God intends, your going to have (at times, not always) converts that don’t seek God’s best intentions for them
 
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UnderGrace said:
Just like eternally grateful said.

“It is impossible for a Christian not to work, it’s part of the new nature.

@Macabeus, I would ask you where does scripture state it is impossible... to me that is a big word.
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You can start with by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. And faith without works is dead. And if you love me, keep my commandments. And everyone who abides in me will bear fruit, and my father will prune them so that they may bear much fruit. Please don’t miss the post I posted a couple minutes ago
 
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UnderGrace said:
Just like eternally grateful said.

“It is impossible for a Christian not to work, it’s part of the new nature.

@Macabeus, I would ask you where does scripture state it is impossible... to me that is a big word.
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You might ask eternally grateful that too.
 
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Macabeus said:
I have not changed my view. It has been the same from the beginning

Think real hard. Paul said in Titus 2:15 to teach”these things”. The things he is referring to is Titus 2:11-14. Which are the things I’ve been advocating, right

So if I obey Titus 2:15 and teach the things in Titus 2:11-14, why would DC accuse me of twisting the scripture

In fact, watch. The insults, accusations, and name calling will start again. But you think about what I just said

What we win people with is what we win people to. If you teach a gospel that doesn’t accomplish what God intends, your going to have (at times, not always) converts that don’t seek God’s best intentions for them
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Oh really your view has not changed... :unsure:

Proof is in the pudding... next time @dcontroversal Romans 4:4 you should just state AMEN!!!
 
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Macabeus said:
You might ask eternally grateful that too.
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I had that discussion with him, I am thinking we did not agree.... cannot say for sure...but I am asking you now since you agree.... then I am taking a break!!
 
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dcontroversal said:
Exactly......they may argue but then say the above....AS LONG AS We are abiding<---working for dogma based upon self no matter how they slice and dice!!
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Where was it said “as long as we are abiding”? I cant find it. I want to see the context, but I keep searching for the words and nothing comes up. Can you let me know, @Melach. dC probably won’t.
 
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Oh really your view has not changed... :unsure:

Proof is in the pudding... next time @dcontroversal Romans 4:4 you should just state AMEN!!!
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Say amen to a post that says “did you miss the part about (Romans 4:4) when I’m talking about loving obedience?

It’s like he’s saying “if you teach loving obedience to God, you don’t believe Romans 4:4

Why would I amen something like that?

And no, my position has not changed

Ever heard of a strawman? I don’t amen strawmen arguments.

Youre just struggling with your loyalty to DC, aren’t you.

I’m bad because I do what Titus 2;15 tells me to do. Ok then🤷‍♂️
 
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Macabeus said:
Where was it said “as long as we are abiding”? I cant find it. I want to see the context, but I keep searching for the words and nothing comes up. Can you let me know, @Melach. dC probably won’t.
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Go to the post and hit reply. That will repost it. Thanks
 
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Macabeus said:
Say amen to a post that says “did you miss the part about (Romans 4:4) when I’m talking about loving obedience?

It’s like he’s saying “if you teach loving obedience to God, you don’t believe Romans 4:4

Why would I amen something like that?

And no, my position has not changed

Ever heard of a strawman? I don’t amen strawmen arguments.

Youre just struggling with your loyalty to DC, aren’t you.

I’m bad because I do what Titus 2;15 tells me to do. Ok then🤷‍♂️
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Struggling at all with my loyalty to @dcontroversal ... nah

Okay then, your views have not changed. Good for us to know.(y)
 
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UnderGrace said:
Then show me "impossible" in scripture
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If the Bible says

Whosoever does or is such and such

will be or do such and such,

is it possible that any of the whosoevers can be excluded from that reality?

Yes or no?
 
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UnderGrace said:
Struggling at all with my loyalty to @dcontroversal ... nah

Okay then, your views have not changed. Good for us to know.(y)
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No, it has not changed. If you all had considered what Titus 2:11-15 said, people would not have condemned me for doing what Titus 2:15 said.

Why did I bring it up in a not of works thread? Because of things that DC said that we’re almost like he was saying “ ok gang, were justified by faith without works so don’t worry about all that obedience stuff

Why I guy can live 50 years as a Christian and be disobedient to Gods purpose in saving, as described in Titus 2:11-15

Can he? NOT THE POINT. You must teach BOTH Romans 4:4 and Titus 2:11-15 to have a balanced teaching of Gods grace

I’m fact, the first five letters of the Titus passage are “for the GRACE of GOD...
 
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