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I say accept Jesus Christ out of Love and wanting to belong to Him; not out of fear of Hell. God wants our love. He tells us to "Fear not" and He tells us He has not given us the "Spirit of fear but of love, power and a sound mind." I dislike preaching soley about hell fire instead of preaching the Love of God.
 

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Let me add this: No human can EVER do enough Works to attain salvation. Salvation is a precious gift from God. God did all the work through the death and resurrection of His only Son Jesus Christ, Our Lord.
 
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Let me add this: No human can EVER do enough Works to attain salvation. Salvation is a precious gift from God. God did all the work through the death and resurrection of His only Son Jesus Christ, Our Lord.
Through Faith right? You know the word that's used 248 times in the NT.
 
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limmuwd said:

Of a Truth, our eternal destiny in determined by our obedience and our behavior in this life.
@UnderGrace said

Wrong, wrong, wrong!!

Our eternal destiny is based on the work and promises of Christ Jesus.


In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 1:13-14

No one, absolutely no one, has yet to answer this question ....maybe you will be the first, but not likely

How many works of righteousness save us, how much good behaviour saves us?

...I want a metric, a numeric value because in Jesus we have 100% perfect

Thank you for the red X's
Reinforces how far you are from the Gospel

Now answer the question please I will be waiting!
 

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And what do you think this verse means?
It means we must have actual righteousness of behavior, by obedience to the commands of God given through the Christ.

Not the Law of Moses, mind you, but the "Law of the Spirit of Life" that is being "written in our minds and on our hearts."

The New Covenant is LAW. (Jer 31:31-33, Matt 26:28, 2Cor 3:-18, Heb 8:7-13, Heb 9:15)

If that Law is transgressed, the transgressor will forfeit their "Eternal inheritance."
 

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@UnderGrace said

Thank you for the red X's
Reinforces how far you are from the Gospel

Now answer the question please I will be waiting!
You're welcome. :)

I have to ask... are you a man or a woman? Just curious, because the most fervent attacks against me, and denial of the Truth of what I preach (that has got me banned from 3 other "Christian" Forums) have always come from a woman for some reason.

Truly there is a reason why 1Tim 2:12 is in the Scripture.

Even my short time here has done much to reinforce the Truth I speak, as an elder, deacon and teacher in the church for many years.

Thank You, Lord, for Your Holy Spirit which is "guiding into all Truth" those who have "ears to hear."

Amen.
 

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YOU ARE A FALSE PROPHET, TRYING TO SPREAD YOUR FALSE TEACHINGS.


2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved usnot by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having BEEN justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.


You are like a modern day Pharisee, who has LOWERED GOD's Standard to something you can keep, and they come in here all puffed up, seeking those you can lead astray.

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Indeed, I incorporate all the verses you've quoted above into what I preach. They greatly support the Truth of what I share. If you actually took time to watch the video, you'd understand that. ;)
 
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You're welcome. :)

I have to ask... are you a man or a woman? Just curious, because the most fervent attacks against me, and denial of the Truth of what I preach (that has got me banned from 3 other "Christian" Forums) have always come from a woman for some reason.

Truly there is a reason why 1Tim 2:12 is in the Scripture.

Even my short time here has done much to reinforce the Truth I speak, as an elder, deacon and teacher in the church for many years.

Thank You, Lord, for Your Holy Spirit which is "guiding into all Truth" those who have "ears to hear."

Amen.
No answer huh?

My fervent disagreement has absolutely no connection to my gender,

This is the only false teaching that will always raise my ire... and for good reason... I am generally not so strident, but I will come against this false teaching because I know the damage it causes and I know that it opposes the Truth.
 
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I have to ask... are you a man or a woman? Just curious, because the most fervent attacks against me, and denial of the Truth of what I preach (that has got me banned from 3 other "Christian" Forums) have always come from a woman for some reason.

God bless those women ... they were contending for the faith.
 

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No answer huh?

My fervent disagreement has absolutely no connection to my gender,

this is the only false teaching that will always raise my ire... and for good reason... I am generally not so strident, but I will come against this false teaching because I know the damage it causes and I know that it opposes the Truth.
Indeed the promised "great delusion" is upon the churches today, as they have rejected the "Holy One of Israel."

May you be among those who
"“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
18 “I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,

Says the Lord Almighty.”
- 2Cor 6:17-18

For without True Repentance and a walk Worthy of the Kingdom, we will not even be named among God's sons & daughters.

p.s. ~ you've answered my gender question. And I was correct.
Your emotional responses have given you away.
But that's okay, friend. I'm only here, as the Apostles, to encourage the saints to "press in" and "add to their faith" that which will ensure them an inheritance in God's Kingdom.

Peace to you, as you humbly seek His face.
 
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UnderGrace

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Answer the question @limmuwd

Do you have any credibility, then support your doctrine.

How much good behaviour saves?
How many works of righteousness save?
 
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UnderGrace

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Indeed the promised "great delusion" is upon the churches today, as they have rejected the "Holy One of Israel."

May you be among those who
"“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
18 “I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,

Says the Lord Almighty.”
- 2Cor 6:17-18

For without True Repentance and a walk Worthy of the Kingdom, we will not even be named among God's sons & daughters.

p.s. ~ you've answered my gender question. And I was correct.
Your emotional responses have given you away.
But that's okay, friend. I'm only here, as the Apostles, to encourage the saints to "press in" and "add to their faith" that which will ensure them an inheritance in God's Kingdom.

Peace to you, as you humbly seek His face.
I am not even one bit emotional, however I am contending with passion for the truth.
I have nothng to hide, I am a woman. Even Paul was upset at false doctrine.

You reveal yourself even more.... ad hominem
 

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Answer the question @limmuwd

Do you have any credibility, then support your doctrine.

How much good behaviour saves?
How many works of righteousness save?
You're asking the wrong question friend. Now you're beginning to sound like the Pharisees who wanted to put God in a box so they could control Him.

You can find my doctrine here - To Him Who Overcomes, and here - Kingdom of God.

God's Wisdom and Understanding to you as you strive to walk obedient to Christ.
 
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And God will bless them, if they repent and walk worthy of whatever He has called them to.
I do pray for the many who are deceived.
Answer the question!

You cannot can you?

Therefore we can safely conclude the scripture teaches no such doctrine...... our works or behaviour do not save >>>>>>>period.
 
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You're asking the wrong question friend. Now you're beginning to sound like the Pharisees who wanted to put God in a box so they could control Him.

You can find my doctrine here - To Him Who Overcomes, and here - Kingdom of God.

God's Wisdom and Understanding to you as you strive to walk obedient to Christ.
Hilarious!!!

How much obedience saves?
 
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May you pay close attention. You may learn something that will change your life and give you True Hope.
Peace & Blessings as you walk the Narrow Way and strive to Overcome.
They have true hope

your offering fear and judgment, not hope.

you can have it