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dcontroversal

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I really like

I think this upholds the majesty of God.... I will admit I do not like the use of "persons" at all.... I feel like it denigrates God.

Just a personal thing and I am not hung up on it or anything.
Yes indeed hahah I don't care for three persons either....Manifested three ways is a good waybto view it......and the bible states clearly that ALL THREE MANIFESTATIONS ARE GOD......
 

EleventhHour

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Yes indeed hahah I don't care for three persons either....Manifested three ways is a good waybto view it......and the bible states clearly that ALL THREE MANIFESTATIONS ARE GOD......
I knew there was reason I came to this thread :)

So thankful to read this.
 

VCO

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Yes indeed hahah I don't care for three persons either....Manifested three ways is a good waybto view it......and the bible states clearly that ALL THREE MANIFESTATIONS ARE GOD......
I prefer the Three distinct personages.
 

VCO

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I'm quite Impresed by what Hevosmies said. You understand that Jesus suffered for us but did you understand that your to suffer if you are to grow in Love. But I came here for a slightly diferent mater, that is also related, to show that we can ad to our salvation: as its written, or should I say "Ad to your Faith, Vurtue,"... unless we want to remain babes of course. I hope you find this woman's experience convincing, as I can't convince you of anything and certainly can't ad anything to your salvation. You can read the whole thing by copying title at the end. I'm reading it again in the midle of the night to be uplifted. In case your wondering, no one in their right mind with God would make this up, and no one left could know the character of God as she describes but the part I sent is her sharing someone else's experience first.

CAN WE INFLUENCE GOD TOWARDS HAVING A VISITATION
OR IS IT PURELY HIS SOVEREIGN WILL?



In my experience, yes. When I think about the backdrop of all of these three visitations, they have all happened after a time of intense, wholehearted, desperate seeking of God, when nothing else mattered more to me than to experience Him.

In each situation, it was a time when no other life priority or heart focus even came close. It was not a time of ‘I want God AND I want this or that”, it was a time of “I want God, period”. The magnifying glass was on wanting God, to the exclusion of any other desire existent on my focus radar.

It was not that I had nothing else to do but to seek God. In the first two visitations, I was busy pastoring and I was newly married. In the third visitation, I was far busier than I wanted to be: I was managing life on my own while Michael was away in India for two straight months while running a real estate business, looking after a primary school child and a toddler, managing six tenants in my private real estate investments, helping a widow and a missionary who just returned from the field, writing Christian articles and counselling people.



It is not the amount of time that you have for God that matters, it’s the amount of heart for God that you have and how you apply that heart for God to your everyday life – that is the key.



I am not saying I was better than anyone else. I just received a gift of hunger for God, which I then fueled through diligent seeking of God and diligent focus. In fact, before my third visitation, I did not feel very spiritual compared to other times in my life and I begged God to increase my hunger for Him because I was worried about my lukewarm state. Once you receive that hunger, then you are responsible to steward it. You do that by setting your heart on God with renewed commitment and setting your focus towards seeking Him, abiding in Him and fueling that hunger even more by feeding your spirit with the Word of God.

While I am sure there is a sovereign factor to every visitation, I disagree that it has nothing to do with your actions. Not that any of us can earn such an experience, but the level of diligent seeking of God and the level of sincere, desperate desire for God has something to do with how much of God you experience. Through it all, He tried to teach me that if you intentionally seek to get hungry and desperate enough for God, you will experience things you would not otherwise.

It is not just my experience that panned out this way. I know of a great man of God in India who was considered the equivalent of the apostle Paul for India – pastor D G S Dhinakaran. While working as a bank manager and leading a family, his hunger for God led him to get up every morning at 4 am to pray, pray at each lunch break and pray again after dinner in the late hours of the evening.

And He prayed for one thing only: Jesus, I want to see You. He prayed this one intensely every day – morning, lunch and dinner for seven years! He did not give up because it did not happen soon. One day before the seven years were up, he began really desperate for the encounter He desired to the point that He asked God to take him from this life, as he felt he could not bear without seeing Him any longer. I don’t know anything more powerful than desperate hunger to move God to action.

The next evening, Jesus appeared in his living room and spoke to him face to face for three hours. What impacted me the most was the content of the conversation. Jesus began by saying: I came because You asked for Me so much. On such and such a day, you were in such and such a place, at this hour, and you asked for this. And on such and such a day, you were in such and such a place, at this time, and you asked for this. And He spent a long time of this visitation listing all the locations, times and the content of this pastor’s prayers.

Jesus takes note of our prayers with intricate detail, even when we don’t feel particularly spiritual or when nothign much seems to be happening. And He is moved by desperate hunger and persistence. He rewards those who diligently seek Him.

Our problem is we never know when enough seeking is enough, therefore we give up when it seems to us that we did enough seeking and we feel as if we are ignored by God. When it is enough for God to move it’s really up to God to decide. We need to seek until something happens, and then seek some more until more happens.



MY THIRD VISITATION
JESUS APPEARED TO ME IN A LIFE CHANGING DREAM

How is it you were not Blinded, like PAUL?
 

EleventhHour

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Sure there is....you are a Oneatarian.....and you obviously miss the cannotation of FALSE JWs........

Do you believe in one God manifested three ways? If not, you are a Oneatarian........by the way.....I coin phrases and words all the time.......such as

Oneatarian
Apostatization
False JWs
Etc....
I really like the word "apostatization" ... it definitely has legs .. I need to find a place to use it images.jpg
 

Melach

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Why did she leave?
its sad she left undergrace was a gentle person really nice we spoke. i wish she had told us something like why leave

i can already tell u guys right now if im not online for over a month it means three things
1. im banned
2. im dead
3. im homeless and no internet

if those 3 dont happen im here.
currently number 2 might actually happen im hangover from friday good Lord wine makes the heart glad but it also pays back in the morning. by morning i mean 3:21PM thats the time here.
i think i will move to drinking milk
 

Melach

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Oh dear, Melach stay off the wine!!
we are finns we are absolutely crazy people. we have mental sickness. every weekend we just have to drink "perjantai pullo" meaning friday bottle, and its usually finnish vodka koskenkorva or something like that. its like we are crazy. nothing is happening we just drink it because i dont know. ive been having that problem for a long time and everyone i know too

i think God blessed the world by making finns so few in number
 

Lightskin

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if im not online for over a month it means three things
1. im banned
2. im dead
3. im homeless and no internet
And if I’m not online for over a month it means three things as well:
1. I’m banned.
2. I’m banned.
3. I’m banned.
 

Ruby123

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we are finns we are absolutely crazy people. we have mental sickness. every weekend we just have to drink "perjantai pullo" meaning friday bottle, and its usually finnish vodka koskenkorva or something like that. its like we are crazy. nothing is happening we just drink it because i dont know. ive been having that problem for a long time and everyone i know too

i think God blessed the world by making finns so few in number
Sounds like a habit you could ask the Lord to break and take away the desire to drink.
 

EleventhHour

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Well this is the key right here

1 Thessalonians 5:18
18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.

There are far more harmful factors to a Christian walk than easy living, I would say "emotional baggage" grudges we hold onto, past hurts, pain, is far more detrimental.
 

Melach

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Sounds like a habit you could ask the Lord to break and take away the desire to drink.
its crazy because i dont even have a desire to drink. its just that the sun doesnt rise if a finn doesnt drink on weekend. its like a duty to make sure the next day arrives.

but i really should move to milk this isnt worth it.