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GracethroughfaithinChrist

GracethroughfaithinChrist

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PS said:
Works do not save, we are saved by the grace of God. However, we do need to live according to His will.
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Well, no worries there, God keeps us right where we need to be...

Jude 1:24-25
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, 25to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all timeh and now and forever. Amen.

God is sufficient at saving and preserving us to eternal life through faith in Christ. Haven't you herd?...
He doesn't lose any...

John 6:37-40
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
it does not matter who it is

if they teach god does not perfect forever those being sanctified, and they must maintain salvation something is seriously wrong

paul said one gospel not 2 not 3 not many
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But I never defended maintaining salvation did I. I said Judges believed in saved by grace through faith. He also believes it is grace and the ministry of Jesus that keeps us. I read that and figured he had perhaps an incomplete understanding not understanding osas,, but understood saved and kept by Grace

You on the other hand think that just because I agree with a person on some points,I necessarily believe others. Associationism. The mind that demands a person agree with you on all points or their damned. You remind me of Steven Anderson
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Incorrect. My posts clearly defend eternal security. I just condemn nosas people to hell, like you do, especially when their position might change in five years. I was saved,but did not have knowledge of eternal security. God corrected me. By your standard, I was not saved until I believed osas. That is basing salvation on correct doctrine of osas, instead of the new birth.
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No one can judge anyone to hell we can just judge a false gospe
 
dcontroversal

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Listen pal.....I have NEVER judged anything but ONE peddles as gospel.....I judge EVERY gospel by the bible....get over yourself and your false accusations...

If one teaches a losable salvation they are FALSE
If one teaches a self maintained salvation they are FALSE
If one teaches that we must do this or that to remain saved they are FALSE
If one teaches we must maintain faith to stay saved or lose justification or Christ as mediator they are FALSE
ANYONE, EVERYONE that embellishes salvation beyond by grace through faith IS FALSE
ANYONE and EVERYONE that teaches SALVATION can be lost, forfeit, yanked or given up THEY ARE FALSE
GET your facts straight about what I judge PAL....or....put me on ignore and or DO NOT RESPOND TO ME...EASY AS PAL


Discern said:
Incorrect. My posts clearly defend eternal security. I just condemn nosas people to hell, like you do, especially when their position might change in five years. I was saved,but did not have knowledge of eternal security. God corrected me. By your standard, I was not saved until I believed osas. That is basing salvation on correct doctrine of osas, instead of the new birth.[/QUOTE\]
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dcontroversal said:
Listen pal.....I have NEVER judged anything but ONE peddles as gospel.....I judge EVERY gospel by the bible....get over yourself and your false accusations...

If one teaches a losable salvation they are FALSE
If one teaches a self maintained salvation they are FALSE
If one teaches that we must do this or that to remain saved they are FALSE
If one teaches we must maintain faith to stay saved or lose justification or Christ as mediator they are FALSE
ANYONE, EVERYONE that embellishes salvation beyond by grace through faith IS FALSE
ANYONE and EVERYONE that teaches SALVATION can be lost, forfeit, yanked or given up THEY ARE FALSE
GET your facts straight about what I judge PAL....or....put me on ignore and or DO NOT RESPOND TO ME...EASY AS PAL
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But I never defended any of these points did I?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Discern said:
But I never defended maintaining salvation did I. I said Judges believed in saved by grace through faith. He also believes it is grace and the ministry of Jesus that keeps us. I read that and figured he had perhaps an incomplete understanding not understanding osas,, but understood saved and kept by Grace

You on the other hand think that just because I agree with a person on some points,I necessarily believe others. Associationism. The mind that demands a person agree with you on all points or their damned. You remind me of Steven Anderson
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Please do not say I did things I have not done

you corrected yourself when it was shown ps teaches works, andmsaid ok and I have not said a thing about you since.

What you said in bold is a lie. Or said in ignorance, either way it is wrong
 
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Discern said:
But I never defended maintaining salvation did I. I said Judges believed in saved by grace through faith. He also believes it is grace and the ministry of Jesus that keeps us. I read that and figured he had perhaps an incomplete understanding not understanding osas,, but understood saved and kept by Grace

You on the other hand think that just because I agree with a person on some points,I necessarily believe others. Associationism. The mind that demands a person agree with you on all points or their damned. You remind me of Steven Anderson
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DUDE....NO he does NOT.........HE BELIEVES that WE must MAINTAIN our FAITH or WE lose salvation, justification and CHRIST mediating for US.......GO READ what HE wrote to @Rosemaryx and then BE HONEST
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Did he say that? Can you produce a sermon where he said that?
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If he said we can lose salvation

then by defenitions he thinks we do not have eternal life We have conditional life, hence God lied

its common sense man,
 
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EleventhHour

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Discern said:
But I never defended maintaining salvation did I. I said Judges believed in saved by grace through faith. He also believes it is grace and the ministry of Jesus that keeps us. I read that and figured he had perhaps an incomplete understanding not understanding osas,, but understood saved and kept by Grace

You on the other hand think that just because I agree with a person on some points,I necessarily believe others. Associationism. The mind that demands a person agree with you on all points or their damned. You remind me of Steven Anderson
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Many will state this upfront.....but when they really reveal what they believe you will find their is works somewhere in the equation
 
dcontroversal

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Funny...when truth is given and one red x's it.....they openly state they disagree with truth....PS is one such case....he red x'ed the following

If one teaches a losable salvation they are FALSE
If one teaches a self maintained salvation they are FALSE
If one teaches that we must do this or that to remain saved they are FALSE
If one teaches we must maintain faith to stay saved or lose justification or Christ as mediator they are FALSE
ANYONE, EVERYONE that embellishes salvation beyond by grace through faith IS FALSE
ANYONE and EVERYONE that teaches SALVATION can be lost, forfeit, yanked or given up THEY ARE FALSE
GET your facts straight about what I judge PAL....or....put me on ignore and or DO NOT RESPOND TO ME...EASY AS PAL
 
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dcontroversal said:
Exactly...and why I have always stated I judge their gospel BY scripture....and or what they SAY or embrace..........
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If a person who does not believe in osas is not my brother, then if John Wesley did not convert to osas, he went to hell.

When God converted me, and I temporarily fell into nosas, I was not saved, because God does not convert people who have an incomplete understanding. You have to cross ALL of you ts and dot all of your is before God will accept a person

If a person comes to Jesus for forgiveness, but is nosas at first, but God corrects him in time, that person was not saved until they accepted osas

Because God requires that you have perfect understanding to have saving faith

All the apostles taught osas every time they preached the Gospel, too. So shame on me for coming to understand it later
 
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Discern said:
If a person who does not believe in osas is not my brother, then if John Wesley did not convert to osas, he went to hell.

When God converted me, and I temporarily fell into nosas, I was not saved, because God does not convert people who have an incomplete understanding. You have to cross ALL of you ts and dot all of your is before God will accept a person

If a person comes to Jesus for forgiveness, but is nosas at first, but God corrects him in time, that person was not saved until they accepted osas

Because God requires that you have perfect understanding to have saving faith

All the apostles taught osas every time they preached the Gospel, too. So shame on me for coming to understand it later
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You are missing the point being made On this thread at this time about what JUDGES holds to....He has been here before, banned once and peddles the same crap this time....same verbiage, same style.....and listen.......

NO ONE is SAVED by placing trust into a FALSE gospel <---This is ONE of the many points MADE by GALATIANS...the SAME point made by JESUS....

the Pharisees BELIEVED in a COMING MESSIAH, YET they EMBELLISHED that FAITH and CHRIST said they WERE DEAD MEN, could NOT come where he was GOING and would DIE in their SINS.....

THE PSALMS and DAVID'S statements, JOB the OLDEST book in the BIBLE and other places ALL pointed to ETERNAL SECURITY and or LIFE after DEATH.........

A GOSPEL EMBELLISHED and OR MISREPRESENTED has NO POWER to save a man....end of story.....and that IS THE POINT........
 
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Discern said:
If a person who does not believe in osas is not my brother, then if John Wesley did not convert to osas, he went to hell.

When God converted me, and I temporarily fell into nosas, I was not saved, because God does not convert people who have an incomplete understanding. You have to cross ALL of you ts and dot all of your is before God will accept a person

If a person comes to Jesus for forgiveness, but is nosas at first, but God corrects him in time, that person was not saved until they accepted osas

Because God requires that you have perfect understanding to have saving faith

All the apostles taught osas every time they preached the Gospel, too. So shame on me for coming to understand it later
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But you came to understanding that is the key.... those who have been here for a while have tried to show Judges (possibly aka Ralph) the error of his teaching by scripture and reason and he just refuses to see it and then tries to persuade others.
 
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