Not By Works

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Chris1975

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In fact, all of the NT writings warning about false teachers and prophets can be removed entirely from the bible as these warnings are not relevant to believers (because they can no longer be harmed by these teachings). Instead create a secular book and compile all of these writings for unbelievers only. That's the target market..
 

PennEd

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Yes. So I am sorted then. No need to feel sorry for me.
You are God's born again child, and you think there is something you can do, or don't do, to have Him toss you into the Lake of Fire?

What kind of a Father would do that to His child? Remember. Not ALL are His children. Only those born again. For HIS children He would correct them, discipline them, maybe even give their FLESH over to satan for destruction, and make them one of the least in His kingdom, subject to other more obedient children of His, but He is not going to throw His kids into the Lake of fire.
 

Chris1975

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You are God's born again child, and you think there is something you can do, or don't do, to have Him toss you into the Lake of Fire?

What kind of a Father would do that to His child? Remember. Not ALL are His children. Only those born again. For HIS children He would correct them, discipline them, maybe even give their FLESH over to satan for destruction, and make them one of the least in His kingdom, subject to other more obedient children of His, but He is not going to throw His kids into the Lake of fire.
And how am I to know if i am born again?
 

Chris1975

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James 2v21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

Q1) Did he offer Isaac on the altar BEFORE or AFTER he believed in God?
Q2) If after, how could Abraham be justified by Works when he offered Isaac on the Altar?
 
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James 2v21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

Q1) Did he offer Isaac on the altar BEFORE or AFTER he believed in God?
Q2) If after, how could Abraham be justified by Works when he offered Isaac on the Altar?
Abraham believed and was justified by God before Isaac

He as not justified by God because of his work but by faith... he was justified in the eyes of men because of his work... meaning his work gave evidence of his justification by God.
 
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James 2v21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

Q1) Did he offer Isaac on the altar BEFORE or AFTER he believed in God?
Q2) If after, how could Abraham be justified by Works when he offered Isaac on the Altar?
Because ABRAHAM was JUSTIFIED long before HE offered ISAAC.......get that through your head.....
 
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Hebrews 3:14 - For we have become partakers of Christ (demonstrative evidence) if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end.
Yes, we know that all believers are holding on to confidence in Christ. That's the definition of a believer. All believers are partakers of Christ and are holding on to confidence in Christ.
But how does this <have> to mean that if you stop having confidence in Christ that means that you were never a partaker of Christ?
You're reading the passage through the presupposition of once saved always doctrine, and that keeps you from being able to see the passage any other way than you do.

All the passage is saying is a person who's holding onto confidence in Christ was made a partaker of Christ (and does not need to be made a partaker again). What you're not seeing is, the holding of confidence is in the Subjunctive mood which means it may or may not continue. And yet the verse is saying this holding of confidence, that may or may not continue, is the holding on to confidence of someone made a partaker of Christ. But you say the verse is saying being a partaker of Christ means the action of having had confidence in Christ will continue and not end, because you're a partaker of Christ. The Aorist, Subjunctive mood verb 'hold' does not allow that interpretation. You've interpreted it incorrectly and the passage doesn't support at all what you are sure it does.
 

CherieR

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You are God's born again child, and you think there is something you can do, or don't do, to have Him toss you into the Lake of Fire?

What kind of a Father would do that to His child? Remember. Not ALL are His children. Only those born again. For HIS children He would correct them, discipline them, maybe even give their FLESH over to satan for destruction, and make them one of the least in His kingdom, subject to other more obedient children of His, but He is not going to throw His kids into the Lake of fire.
Good post.
What are some good bible verses you know of that speaks on what I highlighted in blue from your post?
 

Chris1975

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Abraham believed and was justified by God before Isaac

He as not justified by God because of his work but by faith... he was justified in the eyes of men because of his work... meaning his work gave evidence of his justification by God.
Why on Earth did he need to be justified before men?