Not By Works

[EleventhHour]

Like saying you were gonna BEAT ME UP if you ever seen me haha Good luck!

.... so out there, it is quite funny!

 

[EleventhHour]

I don't remember off the top of my head....was like a week ago or so.....maybe longer.....I laughed out loud and told him he needed to eat his wheaties and I think someone reminded him that I was a Marine and not a good idea

I remember the wheaties comment ....oh good I can do a search

 

[dcontroversal]

Do I claim that? Please can you show me.
I believe in the elect, chosen of God before the beginning of time, written in the Lambs book of life.

Who they are, we can only trust the testimony of the Holy Spirit and the testimony of belief in Jesus and His coming, death on the cross for the forgiveness of sins and resurrection to the Father, in the belief we too will be raised to eternal life in Christ Jesus Amen.

So what do you call me. A calvanist, an OSAS believer, or just a simple follower of Jesus.

And what of Judas? He appeared an apostle yet betrayed his Lord. But then Jesus said of him

John 17:12
While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

Get over it WD-40....Judas was never saved and then lost it...

 

[dcontroversal]

John said we can know we have eternal life. And based on this fact continue to believe

Ummmmm John said we can know because we have believed!

 

[dcontroversal]

I remember the wheaties comment ....oh good I can do a search

Do it and post it hahha and my response so he cannot argue

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was taught that the elect could be for example, Israel, Abraham, Moses, Judas etc. These people were elected from the foundation of the earth, even Jesus, to do a particular job. I know Christians can be members of the elect as well, but I have never found out what their role is in life, unless the Apostle Paul is an example. I seem to think he was also elected for a particular roll. Maybe we should ask ourselves what we have been elected for to do for God? One thing I do know, is that scripture is deeper than we first think.

Night all.

You were taught wrong

 

[dcontroversal]

Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.

Amen...these so called believers that say we cannot know make me sick....the bible is clear....and we can KNOW 100%

 

[dcontroversal]

I do not wish to argue theology Anyone here who knows me understands this

just Want to discuss the Bible and what each of us believes

If you are correct and did not lie
you stated once a person is born again. Made olive saved by grace
they are saved forever correct?
or am I mistaken?

hahahaha predictive text is killing you migo hahaha and or auto correct

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes I agree we have to use good hermeneutics to understand scripture as it was originally intended to be understood and by the Holy Spirit.

The question remains does eternal life mean to you that salvation is secure and saved is saved?

WD-40 almost reminds me of ole Petey....

 

[dcontroversal]

If you believe in the elect, chosen of God before the beginning of time and written in the Lambs book of life then is that not OSAS?

Afterall if chosen by God from the beginning of time and in the book then you cannot be written out.

As for Judas he obviously was not one of the elect therefore never saved to begin with.

Many cannot grasp this truth!

 

[EleventhHour]

WD-40 almost reminds me of ole Petey....

Definitely comes across like someone from the past, always talks past what was asked with lots of words, all being rather vague.... like Petey for sure.

 

[dcontroversal]

I believe all names are in the book, those whos names "have not been found" written in the book are those whos names have been blotted out.....


Revelation 3:5
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.


Who is he that overcomes?

1 John 5:4
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

________

Exodus 32:33

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”

________
Revelation 20:15
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.






All names are in, those who are blotted out will no longer be found in the book. Whatsoever is born of God is promised to not be blotted out. (us saved believers)


Others will not have the righteousness of Christ imputed to them and will be blotted out due to the righteousness of God bringing justice to sin.

Clear as and understood well when one sees it as the book of the living with everyone written in and then only removed upon rejection of the truth.....and of course God knows from the foundation who will believe and who will not....MANY are called, but few chosen!

 

[dcontroversal]

Revelation 22:19 answers the first line of your post. In fact, it answers the whole OSAS debate.

Not hardly pal!

 

[dcontroversal]

He promises to not blot out the name of believers, He promises to blot the name out of WHOSOEVER sins against Him. I disagree with your opinions. Those who are in white are imputed with the righteousness of Jesus and will not be blotted out because Jesus has saved them.

Amen.....play station has no concept of the truth!

 

[dcontroversal]

Definitely comes across like someone from the past, always talks past what was asked with lots of words, all being rather vague.... like Petey for sure.

Yeah something he said made me immediately think of ole Petey......mannerisms are hard to change.....obviously not saying he is, just reminded me of him for sure....time will tell

 

[dcontroversal]

So God calls us from the foundation of the world , before we were born , but then He changes His mind , yet the bible says God does not change...

So while He throws us back into satan's world , He is also calling His Son a liar when Jesus said " I will lose not one "
This must be how people think about their god , but we have the creature of the world in whom we trust , faithful and true , and never tells lies , we are His children forever , eternally secure...

These ones who go on about us losing our Salvation maybe need to check to see if they are in the faith , seriously , God can take our life just like that...

Amen Rose....so good to see your understanding growing leaps and bounds.....keep swinging Sis

 

[dcontroversal]

QUOTE="dcontroversal, post: 4134987, member: 183444"]Like saying you were gonna BEAT ME UP if you ever seen me haha Good luck![/QUOTE]QUOTE="dcontroversal, post: 4135010, member: 183444"]Do it and post it hahha
and my response so he cannot argue [/QUOTE]

It was Stillness that threatened to beat me up........with these workers for, I do not see names anymore, just a fake gospel that devalues Jesus...my bad and my apologies to PS.....

See....I have NO PROBLEM admitting error and making it right openly....

However...both Silliness and Play Station peddle false gospels...!!

 

[mailmandan]

PS said:

Revelation 22:19 answers the first line of your post. In fact, it answers the whole OSAS debate.

Not hardly pal!

I've seen others in the past use Revelation 22:19 to attack OSAS.
I also once saw someone in favor of eternal security post this link - https://www.gotquestions.org/erased-book-life.html

 

[EleventhHour]

I've seen others use Revelation 22:19 to attack OSAS in the past. I also once saw someone in favor of eternal security post this link - https://www.gotquestions.org/erased-book-life.html

It is always the same ole same ole ... just look at the "That Hebrews 10v26" thread. sigh

 

[mailmandan]

It is always the same ole same ole ... just look at the "That Hebrews 10v26" thread. sigh

Yes, that thread is a train wreck! It's sad when believers in the OSAS camp can't share their interpretation of Hebrews 10:26-39 on that thread without being accused of being disingenuous and basically called a liar.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/that-hebrews-10v26-thread.189675/