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EleventhHour

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Going to work but not for my salvation...that is a done deal ....how blessed we are, those that have accepted Jesus' offer of eternal life and knowing we are secure in Him.
 
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EleventhHour

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You see the @PS talks about laying down his life daily for Christ, it is not about faith in Christ to save but about his own working for salvation.
@PS you gave a red X ... Please explain.

Is not laying down your life daily not trying to earn or maintain salvation, are not you doing something in order to receive something?
 

PS

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@PS you gave a red X ... Please explain.

Is not laying down your life daily not trying to earn or maintain salvation, are not you doing something in order to receive something?
We do not, cannot earn our salvation. When I said I would lay down my life for Jesus, I meant I would go anywhere, and do anything for him, whatever the consequences.
 
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EleventhHour

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We do not, cannot earn our salvation. When I said I would lay down my life for Jesus, I meant I would go anywhere, and do anything for him, whatever the consequences.
An honorable sentiment... however
salvation is not earned and neither can it be forfeited.
 
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True. Sadly, people seek measures to return themselves to health when suffering a malady that can have taken years to acquire. And far later that they become aware of due to the onset of acute symptoms that may have been ignored. Now, they're desperate to survive or quash the suffering. Understandable. I would submit, especially so if one has ever witnessed someone they care about suffer chronic illness.

I'm doing what I said I'd stop doing. Leading this thread further into a different topic.
Colloidal Silver is also referred to as Nanosilver. The difference is only in the size of the silver particles used.


FDA clinical studies nanosilver

Colloidal Silver Research & Clinical Studies
(List Source)
  1. Gibbins, Bruce Ph.D., AcryMed, Inc., Portland, OR April 2000
    Pre-clinical and Clinical Evaluation of a New Silver Anti-Microbial Chronic Wound Dressing “
  2. Nametka, Mary, RN, MSN, CS CWS, WCN, Associates in Wound Care, Kenosha, WI Oct. 2000
    A Hydrophilic Silver Antimicrobial Wound Dressing for Site Preparation and Maintenance of Human Skin Equivalent Grafts to Venus Leg Ulcers: Technical and Clinical Considerations
  3. Nametka, Mary, RN, MSN, CS CWS, WCN , Associates in Wound Care, Kenosha, WI May 2001
  4. Antimicrobial Silver Polymer Contact Layer for Treatment of Venous Leg Ulcers
  5. Nametka, Mary, RN, MSN, CS CWS, WCN , Associates in Wound Care, Kenosha, WI June 2001
    Clinical Protocol for use of Absorbent Silver Antimicrobial Polymer Dressings
  6. Nametka, Mary, RN, MSN, CS CWS, WCN , Associates in Wound Care, Kenosha, WI April 2002
    Silver Antimicrobial Hydrophilic Dressing Benefits Management of Recurrent Non-healing Wounds
  7. Nametka, Mary, RN, MSN, CS CWS, WCN , Associates in Wound Care, Kenosha, WI Sept. 2002
    Silver Antimicrobial Absorbent Wound Dressing Can Contribute to Cost Control in Home Care
  8. Smith, Latisha M.D ., Ostomy Wound Management, Feb. 2003
    Clinical Experience using Silver Antimicrobial Dressings on Venous Stasis Ulcers
  9. Gibbins, Bruce Ph.D., Ostomy Wound Management, Feb. 2003
    The Antimicrobial Benefits of Silver and the relevance of Microlattice Technology
  10. Rose, Susan RN, BSN, CWOCN , Gentiva Health Services, Tuscon, AZ. April 2003
    Importance of Assessment and Wound Bed Preparation in the Treatment of Chronic Wounds
  11. Paz-Altschul, Oscar M.D., FACS , Desert Regional Medical Center, Palm Springs, CA April 2003
    Silver Microlattice Uses in Chronic Wound Care
  12. Tamulonis, Ruth RN, MS, CWOCN , Marshalltown Medical & Surgical Center, Marshalltown, IA April 2003 The Use of a Unique Delivery Method of Ionic Silver: A Case Series
  13. Brandy, J. Christopher, MD, FACS, Caromont Wound Center Gastonia, NC April 2003
    Understanding the Role of Ionic Silver in Wound Bed Preparation
  14. Tamulonis, Ruth RN, MS, CWOCN , Marshalltown Medical & Surgical Center, Marshalltown, IA June 2003 A Paradigm Shift in Wound Management
  15. Trowsdale, Helen RN, BSN and Olveda, Mary RN, BSN A-Plus Family Care, SanAntonio, TX
    Meeting the Challenges for Wounds in Home Care with a Silver Amorphous Hydrogel and Collagen
  16. Agbim, Salome ND CNS APRN BC and Miner, Kimberly ND CNS CWCN Wound Care Associates, Englewood, CO Bioburden Control through the use of Silve Anti-moicrobial Gel on Contaminated Stage IV Pressure Ulcer
  17. McCord, Shannon MS, RN, CPNP, CNS, CCRN, WOCN, and Bookout, Kimberly BSN, RN, CWOCN, and McLane, Kathleen MSN,RN, CPNP, CWCN, COCN, and Helmrath, Michael MD Texas Children’s Hospital, Houston, TX June 2004 “Use of Silver Dressing with Neonatal Abdominal Evisceration”
  18. Marjorie Groom, RN, CWOCN, MSHCA, DAPWCA, Memorial Hosptial Belleville, IL April 2005 “Enhancing Venous Leg Ulcer Health with an Ionic Silver Hydrogel”
  19. Barbara Conway Salerno, RN, BSN, CWOCN, Eddy Visiting Nurses, Troy, NY April 2005 “The Use of Controlled-Release Ionic Silver Hydrogel in the Management of Chronic Wounds”
  20. Vickie Shuffitt, PT, Scott Hoskinson, MD and Carol Matsumoto, RN, CWOCN Wound Care Program, Maui Memorial Medical Center, Wailuku, HI “Silver Antimicrobial Hydrogel Eradicates Bioburden and Hastens Discharge for Acute Care Facility”
  21. Gibbins, Bruce PhD and Karandikar, Bhalchandra PhD AcryMed, Inc., Portland, OR July 2005 “Novel Silver Antimicrobial Treatment”
  22. Susan Girolami, BSN, RN, CWOCN Therapy Support, Inc., Cincinnati, OH April 2006 “Combining Ionic Silver Wound Hydrogel and Negative Pressure for Limb Salvage”
  23. Cameron Field, DPM and Kenneth Morgan, DPM HealthOne Alliance Presbyterian/St. Lukes, Denver, CO April 2006 “External Fixation Pin Care Protocol Utilizing Ionic Silver Site Dressings”
  24. Mary Webb, RN, BSN, MA, CIC San Mateo Medical Center, San Mateo, CA April 2006 “Use of Ionic Silver and Collagen to Reduce Bioburden and Promote Healing for Improved Quality of Life in a Complex Patient”

And just a search engine result with basic search parameters pertaing to CS: interventional clinical study colloidal silver
I am a little confused because your link actually supports colloidal silver as an effective treatment method for a variety of illnesses and conditions?
And the list of articles the same?
Utopia silver

I am thinking its going to be no soup or bread for you!:D
 

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An honorable sentiment... however
salvation is not earned and neither can it be forfeited.
Stop it with your error. God can do anything. He can remove such grace as we might have, he can send us to Hell, and he gave us free will to either accept Him, reject Him or change our mind. You are not God to say what He can and cannot do like the Pharisees tried to do with Jesus. Just who do you think you are, judging people and telling them they are either right or wrong?
 
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EleventhHour

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Stop it with your error. God can do anything. He can remove such grace as we might have, he can send us to Hell, and he gave us free will to either accept Him, reject Him or change our mind. You are not God to say what He can and cannot do like the Pharisees tried to do with Jesus. Just who do you think you are, judging people and telling them they are either right or wrong?
First of all telling someone they are according to scripture is not judging them.

Secondly you are creating a different God....no one here is denying the sovereignty of God and we can certainly cannot know all His ways....HOWEVER we can trust HIS Word and His Word is very clear we are saved, we can not forfeit nor does He revoke His gift of salvation nor our standing as righteous and in His Grace.

Have you ever heard the expression he is a man of his word.....well He is a God of His Word.
It is you who needs to stop making God into some petulant child who does not know his own mind.
 
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Stop it with your error. God can do anything. He can remove such grace as we might have, he can send us to Hell, and he gave us free will to either accept Him, reject Him or change our mind. You are not God to say what He can and cannot do like the Pharisees tried to do with Jesus. Just who do you think you are, judging people and telling them they are either right or wrong?
This is saying we must earn Gods grace
 
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EleventhHour

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First of all telling someone they are according to scripture is not judging them.

Secondly you are creating a different God....no one here is denying the sovereignty of God and we can certainly cannot know all His ways....HOWEVER we can trust HIS Word and His Word is very clear we are saved, we can not forfeit nor does He revoke His gift of salvation nor our standing as righteous and in His Grace.

Have you ever heard the expression he is a man of his word.....well He is a God of His Word.
It is you who needs to stop making God into some petulant child who does not know his own mind.
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First of all telling someone they are NOT in line with scripture is not judging them.
 

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An honorable sentiment... however
salvation is not earned and neither can it be forfeited.
PS said salvation cannot be earned, you followed by saying salvation cannot be earned, then PS gives you a Red X. The magnitude of his sociopathic tendencies is alarming.
 

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Salvation is not earned. It is freely given once we have faith and belief in Jesus, and accept His grace. :)
 

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God can do anything.
There is an old adage from people who try to mock God. Such people ask if God can make a rock so big that He is unable to lift it. It’s a paradoxical impossibility because either God can’t make a rock so big or He can but then fittingly not able to lift it.

That is a paradox of deception; this however is not: God can’t go back on His Word regarding salvation in Jesus Christ and remain holy. Either God is true to His Word and is holy or He is a liar and not holy. Praise be to God He is true to His Word and is holy. God’s gift of grace is irrevocable.
 

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First of all telling someone they are according to scripture is not judging them.

Secondly you are creating a different God....no one here is denying the sovereignty of God and we can certainly cannot know all His ways....HOWEVER we can trust HIS Word and His Word is very clear we are saved, we can not forfeit nor does He revoke His gift of salvation nor our standing as righteous and in His Grace.

Have you ever heard the expression he is a man of his word.....well He is a God of His Word.
It is you who needs to stop making God into some petulant child who does not know his own mind.
You are not judge and jury. You do not throw your weight around, you are not in charge, it is a discussion forum, and you do not dictate theology especially this.

The false doctrine, that a child of God cannot so sin as to fall from God's grace and be eternally lost, is a lie of Satan. This same lie was told by Satan in the Garden of Eden to Eve, when he said "You will not surely die" (Genesis 3:4). Satan told Eve that disobedience to God would not result in death, but it did. This false doctrine is also referred to as “once saved, always saved” or “the impossibility of apostasy”. This is one of the many lies Satan tells today to cause many people to be eternally lost. Satan wants us to be complacent and not be concerned about being lost. When Satan accomplishes this he has the battle won with us.

http://www.netbiblestudy.net/denominations/new_page_2.htm
 
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PS said salvation cannot be earned, you followed by saying salvation cannot be earned, then PS gives you a Red X. The magnitude of his sociopathic tendencies is alarming.
Funny I missed that.....working to hard on my Bostonian accident today that is hard work:)

Yes I will call @PS on it for his inconsistencies!

I never tire of defending the Gospel however I do tire of the people and their wonky irrationality though!
 
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EleventhHour

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You are not judge and jury. You do not throw your weight around, you are not in charge, it is a discussion forum, and you do not dictate theology especially this.

The false doctrine, that a child of God cannot so sin as to fall from God's grace and be eternally lost, is a lie of Satan. This same lie was told by Satan in the Garden of Eden to Eve, when he said "You will not surely die" (Genesis 3:4). Satan told Eve that disobedience to God would not result in death, but it did. This false doctrine is also referred to as “once saved, always saved” or “the impossibility of apostasy”. This is one of the many lies Satan tells today to cause many people to be eternally lost. Satan wants us to be complacent and not be concerned about being lost. When Satan accomplishes this he has the battle won with us.

http://www.netbiblestudy.net/denominations/new_page_2.htm
You know you could also pull the women card too if you like..... I know some men that are so legalistic in their understanding that a woman has to be absolutely silent when they discuss (not teach ) on any point of scripture.

Umm and that weight is all muscle!! Hahaha