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EleventhHour

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Amen! That's how we come to Him, and that by His own choice. As Jesus said to Paul, "I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive freedom[Gr.] from sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in Me." Acts 26:18

As Ern Baxter said, "Real faith is hearing under God, being submissive under God and obeying God." Jesus brings us out of "Egypt" and from under "Pharoah". He brings us through the water, gives us the "cloud" and we come under Him. Our bodies are living sacrifices through the Good News of the Kingdom of God. Salvation is a change of government. The true Gospel is the power of God and it changes people radically. They were walking one way - now they walk in a new Way. Jesus walked in that Way, and abiding in Him, we must walk as He did (which is not humanly possible.)

Satan has been allowed to hide much of this through religion. Many give mental ascent to a couple of claims of Jesus, but there is never repentance. Vast hoards of Christians never become new creations. Because Jesus is not Head, the church is almost infinitely fragmented. If we were one, the world would believe that the Father sent the Son. Because we are not, but most walk after their own way today, according to their souls, the world is degenerating.

Sin is my way as opposed to His Way. In fact, whatever does not come from faith is sin, as it is written. Are you a new creation and are you being led today by the Holy Spirit? The addicts need to hear. The rebellious and the tormented need to hear. All without peace need to find the Prince of Peace. Humans need to humble themselves under His mighty hand. He gives grace to the humble.
Real faith is trusting in the work of the Son to save completely apart from any and all works.
 

BillG

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I'm not answering to you. Go away. You are the one who is in error. You say you cannot lose your salvation and the Bible clearly says we can. Are you making a lie out of scripture. Please explain yourself and make it good.
Your response to the below

Let's go back to square one....if you agree salvation is not earned can you tell me how one is saved?

No point arguing the finer points of scripture till you correctly understand the Gospel.

As a woman I can tell I have lots and lots of patience even though I talk too much.

So explain the Gospel please?
Why will you not answer and tell her to go away?

You say she is in error.

You have said you are on this thread to correct people and protect people from the false doctrine of OSAS.

Yet when asked how is one saved you choose not to answer and tell her she believes you cannot lose salvation.

You can quote Bible verses to put your case forwards and so can she.

Are you making a lie out of scripture as you ask her?

If not why not?
If she is why so?

Given that both sides can present their case with scripture one has to be right and one wrong.

So @EleventhHour has asked a question and in fact a good question.

How is one saved?
Surely you can answer that question?

As you stated. "Please explain yourself and make it good"

Acts 16:30-31
30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
 

PS

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Lights out. Think about the situation you have got yourself into and the dangers of misleading people, then answer my question, "is the Bible, every word of it, true or not?"

I will read your reply tomorrow, and we will take it from there. This is between you, me and the Bible.
 

BillG

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So now you accuse me of being afraid to answer questions. I do not like being accused.
Neither do those who believe in OSAS/ES being accused of using it as a license to sin and promote its ok sin all you want and it's covered.

Contrary to the accusations we do not promote that.
We have all read Romans 5-6 and then 7-8.

Yes we read the Bible and if people fall foul of the above and reject correction then we walk away. Well at least I do.
 
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EleventhHour

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Lights out. Think about the situation you have got yourself into and the dangers of misleading people, then answer my question, "is the Bible, every word of it, true or not?"

I will read your reply tomorrow, and we will take it from there. This is between you, me and the Bible.
I said Yes...
And just to be clear YES.

Can we move on to my question now...surely if we both agree scripture is the word of God we can move to the question.
 

PS

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I said Yes...
And just to be clear YES.

Can we move on to my question now...surely if we both agree scripture is the word of God we can move to the question.
You are the one in the dock for denying those scriptures that warn against backsliding.
 

BillG

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Lights out. Think about the situation you have got yourself into and the dangers of misleading people, then answer my question, "is the Bible, every word of it, true or not?"

I will read your reply tomorrow, and we will take it from there. This is between you, me and the Bible.
Who you talking to?
 

OneOfHis

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You are the one in the dock for denying those scriptures that warn against backsliding.
Don't you understand if someone sees a verse and truly believes it means something different than what you truly believe it means, they still truly believe it.🤦‍♂️


If you claim someone who trusts the promises of God include eternal security, says God gives a license to sin, you slander them unless they have stated they believe God will allow sin with NO consequences...



If you claim someone denies scripture, when they believe every word of it.... you falsely accuse them....


Last question I asked you you say "there are other things to discuss".... when my question was "do you believe you have passed from death unto life"....


I hope one day very soon you can see what God wants you to see...
 
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EleventhHour

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You are the one in the dock for denying those scriptures that warn against backsliding.
I agree scripture warns about backsliding ....that is not equivalent to (as in math @dcontroversal ;)) to loosing salvation which is a concept foreign to scripture.
 
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EleventhHour

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Don't you understand if someone sees a verse and truly believes it means something different than what you truly believe it means, they still truly believe it.🤦‍♂️


If you claim someone who trusts the promises of God include eternal security, says God gives a license to sin, you slander them unless they have stated they believe God will allow sin with NO consequences...



If you claim someone denies scripture, when they believe every word of it.... you falsely accuse them....


Last question I asked you you say "there are other things to discuss".... when my question was "do you believe you have passed from death unto life"....


I hope one day very soon you can see what God wants you to see...
Amen and Amen!!
No one would come here and do this day after day unless we were desirous of helping @PS see the truth.