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Sackcloth-N-Ashes

Sackcloth-N-Ashes

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Who are we to decide if someone is saved or not? Who are we to decide if one is doing enough or not enough works for our Lord? Who are we ... period?

In the grand scheme of the universe we are but a tiny, tiny, tiny dot.

Anything we were, are, ever hope to be is up to our yielding to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

God decides if we are "saved." God decides what we can/will be.

God is in charge..... period.

Praise be to God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

We creatures here below are here because God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.[1 Cor. 5:2]

Paul was addressing the church at Corinth about a member of that local assembly who had his father‘s wife(hoping it was his stepmother and not his actual mom, but either of them are sin). It was causing them harm. But with the attitude of not having church discipline because that one is saved and living a life contrary to the word of God, has caused our local churches to become a hot mess.

But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.[1 Cor. 5:13]

God judges those who are outside the assembly, we are to judge them in our local church. Church is not a free for all where ppl can come and worship on Sunday and Wednesday and live like the world the rest of the time.
 
Tellion

Tellion

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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.[1 Cor. 5:2]

Paul was addressing the church at Corinth about a member of that local assembly who had his father‘s wife(hoping it was his stepmother and not his actual mom, but either of them are sin). It was causing them harm. But with the attitude of not having church discipline because that one is saved and living a life contrary to the word of God, has caused our local churches to become a hot mess.

But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.[1 Cor. 5:13]

God judges those who are outside the assembly, we are to judge them in our local church. Church is not a free for all where ppl can come and worship on Sunday and Wednesday and live like the world the rest of the time.
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what is the first step in church discipline?
 
Sackcloth-N-Ashes

Sackcloth-N-Ashes

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Tellion said:
what is the first step in church discipline?
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Go to that person alone. If he repents, that’s the end of it. If not, take one or two with you. If he repents, that’s the end of it. If that doesn’t work, bring them before the church. If he repents then, that’s the end of it. If not, he is to be ousted.

But we are to always seek reconciliation.

Churches can’t do church discipline without judging. It’s impossible.
 
Tellion

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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Go to that person alone. If he repents, that’s the end of it. If not, take one or two with you. If he repents, that’s the end of it. If that doesn’t work, bring them before the church. If he repents then, that’s the end of it. If not, he is to be ousted.

But we are to always seek reconciliation.

Churches can’t do church discipline without judging. It’s impossible.
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Let me see if I can clarify some things for you, having been under discipline myself, even to excommunication, and having returned in repentance. There is a difference between discernment and judgment. I mean no offence by this, but persons who "judged" me by my refusal to follow God's law, those pushed me from the church, alternately, those persons who discerned my sin and urged me to change, even after excommunication, those are the ones who helped me to return. When you say "judge", recognize the finality in that word, and realize the status you are appointing to yourself in order to justify it.
 
Tellion

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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Go to that person alone. If he repents, that’s the end of it. If not, take one or two with you. If he repents, that’s the end of it. If that doesn’t work, bring them before the church. If he repents then, that’s the end of it. If not, he is to be ousted.

But we are to always seek reconciliation.

Churches can’t do church discipline without judging. It’s impossible.
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I should also like to add that actively hunting for sinners is not what's called for here either. The church would have no members if that were the case. The last thing the church needs is a self appointed pointer...
 
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Judges1318

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Good morning. Here is my morning devotion:

John 6:37 "All that the Father gives Me will come to me and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out."

Eph: 2:8,9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves. It is a gift from God; not as a result of works, so that no one can boast.
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Yes, He is faithful and able. Which is exactly why we should continue to hold fast to such a great salvation.

"14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. " - Hebrews 4:14

"23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful" - Hebrews 10:23
 
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Judges1318 said:
Yes, He is faithful and able. Which is exactly why we should continue to hold fast to such a great salvation.

"14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. " - Hebrews 4:14

"23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful" - Hebrews 10:23
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We hold fast ....are you stating Jesus needs help?
 
oyster67

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EleventhHour said:
And that gift is not revocable
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God can do whatever He wants to anyone He wants to do it to. I am so glad He loves me. I will not point my boney finger at Him and tell Him I am going to huff and puff and blow His gates down. Heed the warnings and show Him a little reverance. He deserves it.
 
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oyster67 said:
God can do whatever He wants to anyone He wants to do it to. I am so glad He loves me. I will not point my boney finger at Him and tell Him I am going to huff and puff and blow His gates down. Heed the warnings and show Him a little reverance. He deserves it.
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I go by what He has promised, and His promises are clear.
Salvation is eternal and secure.
 
preacher4truth

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eternally-gratefull said:
Yet here you are Mocking him to get the last word

Shame! you don’t practice what you preach
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Wow, that’s funny! Tell me how I don’t practice what I preach in the context of this discussion and I will repent publicly once you prove it.

As to our discussion the issue was being chided by @OneOfHis for agreeing with @Judges1318 who was actually correct for once. The problem with that was the fact he was scolding me for agreeing with him on something oneofhis finally said he agreed with as well. So there was no need for it.

It is apparent he, like you and others on here, go into attack mode before you stop and understand what was actually said. Nope, see someone agree with your opponent? Attack them for it only to find out later your attack was out of blind ignorance. Yes, just like your above post, an opportunity to get a jab in and make a baseless accusation. But that’s what this thread is dedicated to. Biting, devouring, one upping. That’s why I call it juvenile, because it is.

Sometimes even an opponent gets it right, so, I gave the guy a like, some encouragement, only to be insulted, and even another @Tellion rushes in to accuse of siding with him because I agreed with the truth he presented. It’s sad most of you refuse to see something that was said is actually true because you’re in attack mode on them. That’s not being fair, honest, nor is it being an adult.

That’s what many of you do, absolutely no grace, but full on attack mode. It is all very juvenile. Even after showing oneofhis his mistake, and exposing him, the childish ending response was “But you are still wrong” or some similar childish remark that was at that point baseless. That instead of graciously owning up and admitting he was out of line. Not that I expect you to do any better and own up yourself that these things are true, obviously that is way above you.
 
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Judges1318

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How do we know if we have eternal life?

Romans 10:13 “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

1 John 5:13
New International Version
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

King James Bible
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

John 10:28-30
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.


These are just "some" passages which confirm eternal life.
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"13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." - 1 John 5:13
What things did he write so that we may know we have eternal life?
These things:

"This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did." - 1 John 2:5-6

"10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister." - 1 John 3:10

"14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other." - 1 John 3:14

"18Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.
19This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence" - 1 John 3:18-19

"Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God." - 1 John 4:7

if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit." - 1 John 4:12-13

"Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus." - 1 John 4:16-17

"2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands." - 1 John 5:2


The changed life is how you know you have eternal life inside of you.
 
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