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John146

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Judges1318 said:
It's right in your Bible.
You don't even know what I'm talking about, do you?

Do you know what the real Christian life looks like, according to the Bible?
Do you think for a minute the the real Christian life that pleases God is the careful construct of meaningless doctrines that you kill each other over?
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Do you? Your opinions of “meaningless doctrines” do not matter. Are you continually in the perfect will of God, pleasing Him in every good work?
 
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Judges1318

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John146 said:
My God will keep that which I have entrusted to Him.
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"you are trusting in deceptive words that are worthless.

9“ ‘Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury... 10and then come and stand before me in this house, which bears my Name, and say, “We are safe”—safe to do all these detestable things?" - Jeremiah 7:8-10
 
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John146

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Judges1318 said:
"you are trusting in deceptive words that are worthless.

9“ ‘Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury... 10and then come and stand before me in this house, which bears my Name, and say, “We are safe”—safe to do all these detestable things?" - Jeremiah 7:8-10
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I will stand having the righteousness of Jesus Christ.
 
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Judges1318

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John146 said:
Are you continually in the perfect will of God, pleasing Him in every good work?
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You're missing it, friend.

Do you think the correctness of your doctrinal beliefs is what it means to be in the perfect will of God? Do you think that 'just believing' is you being in the perfect will of God?
If so, you are terribly deceived. You do not know God, yet.

You are deceived if you think osas is more important than how you treat people.
 
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Judges1318 said:
All of you people ran out of arguments.
Especially you, since you never had one to begin with.
That's why I put you on ignore.
You never used any Biblical or scholarly support for your claim.
All you do is say 'uh, uh, that's not true!'.
Just saying what you believe is not grounds for useful discussion.
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I highly doubt we have not supported our position without scripture, over and over again.

Let's be honest here when we present the scripture with correct understanding in context, with proper understanding of the verb tenses you just deny the truth of it.

Surely you must agree being "born" and being "born again" is a one time event, yet even this you have tried to find ways around, by saying it is a process.
 
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John146

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Judges1318 said:
Do you think the correctness of your doctrinal beliefs is what it means to be in the perfect will of God? Do you think that 'just believing' is you being in the perfect will of God?
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Absolutely not. I know I’m not in the perfect will of God. I know I don’t uphold everything I believe to be true. Do you?
 
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John146

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Judges1318 said:
Does the righteousness of Christ make you safe--safe to live in hatred and divisiveness? If you think so, you are terribly deceived. You do not know God, yet.
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The imputed righteousness of Christ is a fact. Does this allow me to live however? God forbid. Do you think I live in hatred? Do I stand against false doctrines? Yep. The word of God will always divide amongst people, even believers.
 
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Judges1318

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John146 said:
Do you?
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If I didn't know I wouldn't be chastising people in this forum. Instead I would be like them.

Anyone can know what I'm talking about. It's right in the Bible in plain words for everyone to read.
But so many miss it because they think the correctness of their doctrines and theologies is what being a Christian is all about. They are the many that do not find the road that leads to life that Jesus talks about in Matthew 7.
 
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Judges1318

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John146 said:
Absolutely not. I know I’m not in the perfect will of God. I know I don’t uphold everything I believe to be true. Do you?
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You're still not getting it.
I don't think you even know what it means to live for Christ.
If you are sure you do, tell me what that is. Educate me.
 
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John146

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Judges1318 said:
If I didn't know I wouldn't be chastising people in this forum. Instead I would be like them.

Anyone can know what I'm talking about. It's right in the Bible in plain words for everyone to read.
But so many miss it because they think the correctness of their doctrines and theologies is what being a Christian is all about. They are the many that do not find the road that leads to life that Jesus talks about in Matthew 7.
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Are you talking about eternal security in Christ?
 
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Judges1318

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John146 said:
The imputed righteousness of Christ is a fact. Does this allow me to live however? God forbid. Do you think I live in hatred? Do I stand against false doctrines? Yep. The word of God will always divide amongst people, even believers.
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What you will find is righteousness vs. unrighteousness is what divides. The unrighteous will always hate and seek to destroy the righteous. The unrighteous are known by this habit of destroying others.
 
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John146

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Judges1318 said:
What you will find is righteousness vs. unrighteousness is what divides. The unrighteous will always hate and seek to destroy the righteous. The unrighteous are known by this habit of destroying others.
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Like you’re trying to destroy me? And your justification is “chastisement.”
 
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Judges1318

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John146 said:
Read, study and follow Romans - Philemon, and then get back with me.
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Get back to you about what? Your meaningless doctrines?
Do you really think any doctrine, meaningless or not, is what saves you from the coming wrath of God?

Can you post a scripture that shows what having faith in God and being a Christian is really all about? Show me you know.
 
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John146

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Judges1318 said:
Get back to you about what? Your meaningless doctrines?
Do you really think any doctrine, meaningless or not, is what saves you from the coming wrath of God.

Can you post a scripture that shows what having faith in God and being a Christian is really all about? Show me you know.
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It is you who I believe does not understand the doctrine of the faith of Christ.

Follow after charity.
 
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EleventhHour said:
I highly doubt we have not supported our position without scripture, over and over again.

Let's be honest here when we present the scripture with correct understanding in context, with proper understanding of the verb tenses you just deny the truth of it.

Surely you must agree being "born" and being "born again" is a one time event, yet even this you have tried to find ways around, by saying it is a process.
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I was hoping everyone just ignored him, I think he is just baiting us All,
 
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Judges1318

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John146 said:
I know I’m not in the perfect will of God.
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I hope you're getting the point.
I question whether you and others here even really know what the will of God is.
The murderous hatred and condescension, in this thread particularly, shows me the church does not know what being a Christian is all about. Instead, the church takes false comfort in doctrinal constructs and beliefs and divisions and derives their sense of security and assurance from that.
 
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