Not By Works

[biker]

Inviting people to church is works.
Encouraging those you invite to go to the altar is works.
Helping them pray through and accept Christ is works.
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None of that is required to be saved, but all of that is required to increase God's Kingdom!

 

[EleventhHour]

Romans 4:5
[5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 1:16
[16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Reward, gift; it’s all tied together.

Well you have openly admitted error and now we know.

A "reward" is not a "gift" any dictionary will clear that up for you.

Let me be very clear God......... does not reward us with salvation, that puts God in the position of being in debt to us, for a work He alone accomplished.

If you cannot see how wrong this is .. well..... I will leave it there.

 

[Judges1318]

Oh I see you still have not solved the problem of the fact that Jesus gives everlasting/eternal life when we are "born from above"
Still waiting.......

Yes, the life Jesus' ministry gives never peters out like it did under the old system.
That's why you should make a point to not lose it through a return to unbelief.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

A righteous man does not need to perform "works" to keep his Salvation

Colossians 1:21-23
[21] And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [22] In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [23] If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister

So if I don’t continue in the faith grounded and settled, and I am moved away from the hope of the gospel, I will not be reconciled anymore after being reconciled. But If I continue in the faith, am I not “working” to keep from being moved away from it?

 

[Judges1318]

You? Every time the person is healed no exceptions?

Jesus did not do that.
How did that become a requirement?

""According to your faith let it be done to you" - Matthew 9:29

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[EleventhHour]

Yes, the life Jesus' ministry gives never peters out like it did under the old system.
That's why you should make a point to not lose it through a return to unbelief.

Unbelief/Unsaved would equate to unbirthed....... hmm I wonder how I would accomplish that?

So everyone who looses their salvation no longer has a birthday as well according to Jesus.

Great....how much more illogical do NOSAS people become.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

A "reward" is not a "gift" any dictionary will clear that up for you.

I’ll let the Bible clear it up.

Philippians 3:14
[14] I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

It’s also a prize to be sought after to be realized at the end.

 

[biker]

Colossians 1:21-23
[21] And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [22] In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [23] If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister

So if I don’t continue in the faith grounded and settled, and I am moved away from the hope of the gospel, I will not be reconciled anymore after being reconciled. But If I continue in the faith, am I not “working” to keep from being moved away from it?

To Believe is nothing more than making up your mind, which is not remotely close to working.
But acting upon your Belief is doing works.

 

[Judges1318]

Can you not understand the word concept of event, occurrence of birth.
It is an event. it cannot be undone.
Gee whiz .....even dead people have a day when they were physically born, their death does undo that event.

I know you are stuck you cannot admit it.

Non-osas does not take away the historical fact that a person was once born again.
Is that short enough for you to finally comprehend? Or are you going to continue to fight against an argument that non-osas is not making? I'm betting you will continue to fight against an imaginary argument. Watch.

 

[John146]

Jesus did not do that.
How did that become a requirement?

""According to your faith let it be done to you" - Matthew 9:29

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James 5
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

 

[EleventhHour]

Non-osas does not take away the historical fact that a person was once born again.
Is that short enough for you to finally comprehend? Or are you going to continue to fight against an argument that non-osas is not making? I'm betting you will continue to fight against an imaginary argument. Watch.

Nope, you must undo physical birth as well, the two go hand in hand ... that is how analogies work..... let me tell you pal ( not really ) Jesus was a lot smarter than you admit!

You think you can out smart Him, sad really....because that is ultimately what you are trying to do on all points of scripture.

 

[EleventhHour]

I’ll let the Bible clear it up.

Philippians 3:14
[14] I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

It’s also a prize to be sought after to be realized at the end.

SIGH!

 

[Judges1318]

They are both instructions directed to people who are not you.

That is the correlation.

1 Corinthians 12:7-11, 14:1

That be me, that be you.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

SIGH!

Philippians 3:11-12,14-15
[11] If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. [12] Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. [14] I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. [15] Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

I pray God reveals to you that OSAS is faulty.

 

[EleventhHour]

Philippians 3:11-12,14-15
[11] If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. [12] Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. [14] I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. [15] Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

I pray God reveals to you that OSAS is faulty.

WOW ... I better get a BIG prize in heaven for all my work today on protecting the Gospel which clearly states salvation is a free gift.
Ephesians 2:8

Paul knew what salvation was " a gift" if he is using the word prize is referring to something else.

 

[Judges1318]

James 5
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

How are you still missing it?

"And the prayer of faith"

"According to your faith let it be done to you" - Matthew 9:29

"5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6He was amazed at their lack of faith." - Mark 6:5

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[Judges1318]

I'm betting you will continue to fight against an imaginary argument. Watch.

Nope, you must undo physical birth as well, the two go hand in hand ... that is how analogies work..... let me tell you pal ( not really ) Jesus was a lot smarter than you admit!

You think you can out smart Him, sad really....because that is ultimately what you are trying to do on all points of scripture.

 

[Guojing]

1 Corinthians 12:7-11, 14:1

That be me, that be you.

Those passages apply to you yes but you see the difference between Mark 16:17-18 and them?

The healing is not guaranteed to happen in Paul's instructions to the Body of Christ.

 

[EleventhHour]

No response.
Jesus was clear in His analogy and it holds firm, you cannot undo it by your human reasoning.

3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Neither one is undone.

 

[John146]

How are you still missing it?

"And the prayer of faith"

"According to your faith let it be done to you" - Matthew 9:29

"5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6He was amazed at their lack of faith." - Mark 6:5

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Actually, in James, the faith spoken of is the faith of the elders who pray.