Not By Works
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I would agree like @mailmandan has often stated on here that the spiritual experience of the new birth is too profound a reality ... it does seem hard to fathom.
The main thing saved is saved.
The main thing saved is saved.
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Then explain to us why the Bible teaches this "works based salvation that devalues Christ and enthrones self":
"By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you." - 1 Corinthians 15:2
"stand firm in the faith - 1 Corinthians 16:13
"building yourselves up in your most holy faith" - Jude 1:20
"holding on to faith" - 1 Timothy 1:19
"hold firmly to the faith we profess" - Hebrews 4:14
"Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess" - Hebrews 10:23
"And now, dear children, continue in him" - 1 John 2:28
"As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you." - 1 John 2:24
Instruct us so we will be careful to not heed these exhortations to keep believing and be guilty of trying to earn our own salvation.
"By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you." - 1 Corinthians 15:2
"stand firm in the faith - 1 Corinthians 16:13
"building yourselves up in your most holy faith" - Jude 1:20
"holding on to faith" - 1 Timothy 1:19
"hold firmly to the faith we profess" - Hebrews 4:14
"Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess" - Hebrews 10:23
"And now, dear children, continue in him" - 1 John 2:28
"As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you." - 1 John 2:24
Instruct us so we will be careful to not heed these exhortations to keep believing and be guilty of trying to earn our own salvation.
Question: I waver in my spiritual faith alot. Does that mean that I'm not saved? That I've fallen back into unbelief?
Whoever gives a proper, satisfactory answer gets a lollipop..
Whoever gives a proper, satisfactory answer gets a lollipop..
When you make a conscious decision that you do not want the gospel anymore that is when you have entered into unbelief.
But to wonder if this is all really true is only human.
You can do that and not be in unbelief.
Example, John the Baptist:
"2When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples 3to ask him, “Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?” - Matthew 11:2
This from the man born with the Holy Spirit and who saw with his own eyes the Spirit descend on Jesus and heard the voice of God declaring him to be the Son of God. Apparently, his suffering caused him to doubt what he'd seen and heard from God. But he did not renounce Christ as Messiah and choose to not believe anymore. That's the important part.
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I agree.
Lightskin probably knows this too.
Falling back in unbelief altogether is signified by a conscious return to the old life altogether.
That's an obvious falling away.
The truly dangerous falling away is denying the gospel like the Galatians and the Corinthians did all the while thinking you still have it.
They were Christians who exchanged the Jesus who saved them for a Jesus who can't save them.
That's what the new osas does.
It changes the Jesus who only saves those who believe and trust in him into a Jesus who saves those who don't believe in him.
Even the old style osas didn't do that!
Lightskin probably knows this too.
Falling back in unbelief altogether is signified by a conscious return to the old life altogether.
That's an obvious falling away.
The truly dangerous falling away is denying the gospel like the Galatians and the Corinthians did all the while thinking you still have it.
They were Christians who exchanged the Jesus who saved them for a Jesus who can't save them.
That's what the new osas does.
It changes the Jesus who only saves those who believe and trust in him into a Jesus who saves those who don't believe in him.
Even the old style osas didn't do that!
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Question: I waver in my spiritual faith alot. Does that mean that I'm not saved? That I've fallen back into unbelief?
Whoever gives a proper, satisfactory answer gets a lollipop..
Whoever gives a proper, satisfactory answer gets a lollipop..
No one loses salvation regardless of the frauds like Ralph, Judges, Frans etc. that peddle that crap like a street organ player in Bombay with a dancing monkey for coin....!!
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