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EleventhHour

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Haha I need to proof read before I post.....Oh well...the point was clear haha....

truths that state clearly it is faith that saves haha
Hahaha ..... I was agreeing with the "rejects" ...nothing at all wrong with what you typed.

I am just always baffled by the constant rejection of truth... that is why I highlighted the word. :)
 
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Hahaha ..... I was agreeing with the "rejects" ...nothing at all wrong with what you typed.

I am just always baffled by the constant rejection of truth... that is why I highlighted the word. :)
Yeah, I was re-reading and thinking I butchered about 4 words.....I see a Jesus devaluing, bible rejecting, word of God embellishing, self saving, working for salvation loser and like the song by Warrant...I Saw Red...........I absolutely despise any dogma that corrupts the truth by embellishing faith with a "PLUS" TO GAIN or maintain salvation......
 
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Yeah, I was re-reading and thinking I butchered about 4 words.....I see a Jesus devaluing, bible rejecting, word of God embellishing, self saving, working for salvation loser and like the song by Warrant...I Saw Red...........I absolutely despise any dogma that corrupts the truth by embellishing faith with a "PLUS" TO GAIN or maintain salvation......
Yup one goes on the lam... and two more come to take his place... all preaching the same losable salvation one way or another.
 
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Yes and from Genesis to Revelations God saves His people from their sins "By grace through faith." The self-righteous, save yourself bunch, should take a lesson from Cain, your precious good works will not save you;
only faith in the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ can save.

It has always been by grace we are save through faith, a hard lesson for the self-righteous.
I miss ole TT.....wonder if he is still alive and won his battle? Anyone know?
 
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Hebrews 7:25 - Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

Jesus does not need us to "add our works" to His finished work of redemption in order to "help Him save us" (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9).

*Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers (Romans 3:22-28). *No supplements needed.
Amen....so true!!
 
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I believe in eternal salvation provided for us as a gift from our Lord God Almighty, maker of all that is. I believe in the redemption He provides for us through that free gift of salvation. I do not believe that we have to do works just to maintain that salvation. For anyone who thinks they have to "work" to hold onto their salvation, they must be drained from having to "work" 24/7, 365 days a year.
Amen Star.....good points....!
 
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Some people do not like to admit it is God who finshes our faith, not ouselves, they refuse to give control tthe god, then get mad when peopl call them out on it.
Exactly.....the self faith maintainers, salvation losers and working for Cainologists absolutely deny the FOLLOWING...

Being CONFIDENT OF THIS VERY THING ->He that begun a good work in you WILL FINISH IT UNTO THE DAY OF CHRIST (RESURRECTION)
 
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Begins, finishes, completes, keeps, irrevocable, cannot deny himself, sealed, eternal, everlasting, saved to the uttermost, lose nothing, will finish, kept etc....

All words rejected, denied, chunked, embellished, twisted etc. by the Cainologists, workers for, lawyers, self faith maintainers, self salvationists, salvation losers, Pharisees and false religionists.....
 
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The workers for, law keepers, Pharisees, Lawyers and Cainologists MUST help God with the salvation they claim to have....they have NO concept of positional sanctification based entirely upon faith and being justified eternally by the blood of Christ. They have no concept of the fact that JESUS begins, finishes and COMPLETES the WORK of faith in us. They have NO concept of the words IRREVOCABLE GIFT, SAVED to the UTTERMOST, KEPT by the POWER of GOD........They have NO concept of being BORN AGAIN from ABOVE by INCORRUPTABLE SEED.....They, in their minds, BELIEVE that THEY have to obey some set of rules, regulations and or LAWS which they WILL never be able to KEEP in order to MAINTAIN that which is NOT maintainable....

The PLENTEOUS (MANY) in NUMBER that come before the throne ESPOUSE the SAME dogma that the aforementioned HOLD to....

a. THEY claim they KNOW JESUS by faith
b. THEY claim their right to actually enter is based UPON what they HAVE DONE IN HIS NAME (WORKS, LAW KEEPING, SERVITUDE)
C. THEY will not make the final cut because they NEVER truly trusted into Christ and HIS finished work

FAITH plus ANYTHING to gain, keep, embellish, top off, maintain SALVATION equates to a false gospel which....

a. Has no power to save
b. Is double cursed
c. Leads to being cast from the presence of God
d. ALL who believe it are called fools and bewitched

The simplicity found in Christ is as follows....

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE "eternally" those who BELIEVE.

The above mentioned Cainologists refuse to acknowledge the above truth because they MUST..........fill in the blank!

Interesting truths above...although denied by many
 
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They are cohorts and probably plan it and or at times the same person as we have seen with Peter, Frannie poo and others.....!!
This is false.

I do not know anyone on this forum.

Do not let your pride lead your mouth to utter lies like this. Examine the fruit your doctrine in how you behave.
 
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The workers for, law keepers, Pharisees, Lawyers and Cainologists MUST help God with the salvation they claim to have....they have NO concept of positional sanctification
There is no attribute that is “positional” in scripture. This teaching was invented so that fleshly “believers” could continue to “believe” the Bible in things they could not comprehend in their carnal minds; like the concept of crucifying the flesh, mortifying the seeds of the body, etc.

These are things that OSAS’ers have failed to do because they do not “reckon themselves indeed to be dead unto sin”. It’s all just “positional” to them. No true conversion; just a “positional” conversion.

Awake to righteousness, and do not sin. For some do not have the knowledge of God.
 

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MORE INFO ON THE 666 MARK:

Understanding Computers will give you more understanding.

Right now all Microchips have a 15 digit number. When the whole worlds bank accounts goes on one Super Computer, they will have to add 3 more numbers to insure there are no duplicates. NOW with a 18 digit Number, it can be broken up between three hyphenated numbers.
123456-123456-123456. NOW 6 digits, 6 digits, and 6 digits, WILL BE your Permanent Bank Account System, and no one can buy or sell anything without one. With one of these RFID implanted in your right hand or forehead.

The FIRST SIX is already HERE:
https://www.tax.ohio.gov/portals/0/forms/corporation_franchise/2006/naicscodes.pdf
It is used for Taxation purposes. Look at the second column of the first page, AT HOLDING COMPANIES, there is the Bank you have your money in which is the SIX Digit NAICS Code. All they have to do to complete the 6.6.6 is pass a rule that makes it mandatory that everyone has an account number that is compatible to the NAICS Code System.

THE SECOND SIX most likely will be the Geographic Location of your front door.

THE THIRD SIX is Personal I.D. of the Person IN THAT HOUSE.

Yes, that means, you will have to get permission from the GOVERNMENT to MOVE.

I just found that NAICS Code, the six digit Business code for every single business there is. I HAD NO IDEA IT EXISTED.

We could all be under that System in a heart beat. YES that 6.6.6 would control every person on earth's bank account.

SCARY ISN'T IT ? ? ? But I am not worried, because I am a Pre-Trib absolute Believer and we will be gone to heaven for the Wedding of the LAMB, before this gets implemented.
 
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EleventhHour

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MORE INFO ON THE 666 MARK:

Understanding Computers will give you more understanding.

Right now all Microchips have a 15 digit number. When the whole worlds bank accounts goes on one Super Computer, they will have to add 3 more numbers to insure there are no duplicates. NOW with a 18 digit Number, it can be broken up between three hyphenated numbers.
123456-123456-123456. NOW 6 digits, 6 digits, and 6 digits, WILL BE your Permanent Bank Account System, and no one can buy or sell anything without one. With one of these RFID implanted in your right hand or forehead.

The FIRST SIX is already HERE:
https://www.tax.ohio.gov/portals/0/forms/corporation_franchise/2006/naicscodes.pdf
It is used for Taxation purposes. Look at the second column of the first page, AT HOLDING COMPANIES, there is the Bank you have your money in which is the SIX Digit NAICS Code. All they have to do to complete the 6.6.6 is pass a rule that makes it mandatory that everyone has an account number that is compatible to the NAICS Code System.

THE SECOND SIX most likely will be the Geographic Location of your front door.

THE THIRD SIX is Personal I.D. of the Person IN THAT HOUSE.

Yes, that means, you will have to get permission from the GOVERNMENT to MOVE.

I just found that NAICS Code, the six digit Business code for every single business there is. I HAD NO IDEA IT EXISTED.

We could all be under that System in a heart beat. YES that 6.6.6 would control every person on earth's bank account.

SCARY ISN'T IT ? ? ? But I am not worried, because I am a Pre-Trib absolute Believer and we will be gone to heaven for the Wedding of the LAMB, before this gets implemented.
Maybe you posted in the wrong thread? :unsure:
 
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This is false.

I do not know anyone on this forum.

Do not let your pride lead your mouth to utter lies like this. Examine the fruit your doctrine in how you behave.
Every thing I said was true so fire your accusations in a different thread deceiver......

You and your salvation losing pal are cohorts (by doctrine) and pay attention to the word PROBABLY....and the rest are proven facts based upon the historcity of this thread genius!

dcontroversal said:
They are cohorts and probably plan it and or at times the same person as we have seen with Peter, Frannie poo and others.....!!
 
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There is no attribute that is “positional” in scripture. This teaching was invented so that fleshly “believers” could continue to “believe” the Bible in things they could not comprehend in their carnal minds; like the concept of crucifying the flesh, mortifying the seeds of the body, etc.

These are things that OSAS’ers have failed to do because they do not “reckon themselves indeed to be dead unto sin”. It’s all just “positional” to them. No true conversion; just a “positional” conversion.

Awake to righteousness, and do not sin. For some do not have the knowledge of God.
If you believe the drivel in your post you are one of the following

a. Ignorant of the word of God
b. Wilfully rejecting the word of God
c. Obstinate against the truth
d. Blind to the truth
e. All of the above

The bible does indeed teach positional sanctification (eternally applied) and sanctification is dual in it's usage genius......

The more you talk the more obvious it is that you are not that bright when it comes to the word.......!
 
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To the genius arguing against positional sanctification.....I suggest you study the word "IN" and how it states clearly they were SANCTIFIED IN CHRIST.....quit arguing against the truth and being an enemy of the cross!!!!!

To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours
 
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a. Ignorant of the word of God
b. Wilfully rejecting the word of God
c. Obstinate against the truth
d. Blind to the truth
e. All of the above
I am thinking all of the above.:unsure:

Someone thinking they can be in a state of "sinlessness" it has to be.