Not By Works

[jackrosie]

Did you read my post above.....,JESUS......when JESUS SPOKE TO THEM!

Whose in JESUS....?..........GOD!........understandee!

That does not address what I was asking you[/QUOTE]



Yes it does.....only you don’t understand it!.

 

[jackrosie]

You cannot expect me to share treasures with a woman who laughs at what I write.

You shouldn’t be concerned about what others think....you are letting your feelings get in the way....but I do understand where you are coming from.........
Maybe if I pray for you....in that area..the Lord May strengthen you.

 

[jackrosie]

There are children in the faith and there are mature adults in the faith. Both have personal relationships with God but the difference in intimacy and understanding is astounding.

I wouldn’t like to speak for anyone else....just myself.......I keep a lot of what God has done and shown me over the yrs..to myself.....

 

[DorothyMae]

Haaa...that is where you fall short...you don’t understand what it means for a child of God to have that intimate relationship with him.

.Adam and Eve had it with God,before they sinned.....did you know that?
Or are you going to deny that as well.
They knew God personally.

Your laughter is not going to endure me to answer your inquisition questions. You want to prove to yourself that I know nothing, but I cannot supply evidence towards that goal.

 

[jackrosie]

There are children in the faith and there are mature adults in the faith. Both have personal relationships with God but the difference in intimacy and understanding is astounding.

Can you enlighten me....I won’t laugh?

 

[jackrosie]

Your laughter is not going to endure me to answer your inquisition questions. You want to prove to yourself that I know nothing, but I cannot supply evidence towards that goal.

I didn’t say you know nothing........I don’t understand a word you say.....maybe a little,that’s it.......same as you don’t understand me.

 

[stonesoffire]

JR, I know that verse by heart. I was asking Stone for her weaseling out of what what Jesus meant. Most OSASers have a complex way of explaining why it doesn’t apply to them.

Weaseling? Haha

 

[DorothyMae]

You shouldn’t be concerned about what others think....you are letting your feelings get in the way....but I do understand where you are coming from.........
Maybe if I pray for you....in that area..the Lord May strengthen you.

JR, I don’t care what you think of me. But I have a responsibility to
Him and He has taught me to be careful when sharing. You see this in the manner of Jesus speaking to people.

To some He gave no answer. To others He refuses to answer the question as worded because they assumed facts not in evidence. God Himself is careful in sharing truth. The Bible says He hides from certain kinds of people. You see evidence of this now in believers who’ve been christians their whole lives and can only repeat their church doctrine. They know salvation and that’s it.

 

[cv5]

During my reading of scripture today these words in the second letter to the Thessalonians immediately reminded me of the absurdity of Once Saved Always Saved.

2 Thessalonians 1:4-5
[4] So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: [5] Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer

What is striking about the above scripture is that it ties in perfectly with these scriptures:

Matthew 24:13
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Ephesians 4:1
[1] I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called

2 Thessalonians 1:11
[11] Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling

Why would Paul have to pray for them to be counted worthy if their worthiness is guaranteed and secure?

Matthew 20:16
[16] ...for many be called, but few chosen.

Those verses speak nothing to "losing your salvation". The bottom line is that the elect are never un-elected. But the real underlying question is: By whos or what power do we endure? The answer is quite clear in the Scripture that it is certainly not our own power. The elect are standing in grace, are continuously forgiven of their sins and brought all the way to glorification.
Every last one of them, none of them are lost. Christ can never lose any battle, He never makes a mistake. Those who are "in Christ" will never ever be lost.

 

[DorothyMae]

I didn’t say you know nothing........I don’t understand a word you say.....maybe a little,that’s it.......same as you don’t understand me.

I understand you fairly easily. You have decided to follow a teacher here and are becoming like him. He offers you heaven no matter what. He promises you the Holy Spirit won’t leave even if you quench that fire out.

I can only really encourage you to read the Bible as your nr 1 source of what to believe.

 

[Blue_Of_Lake]

No context equals...... no correct, scriptural, spiritual understanding.

do you never listen to the Spirit?

it's speaking . . . . . . . . . l i s t e n.

 

[stonesoffire]

You don’t seem to comprehend that the Holy Spirit resides in our hearts....there he has taken up residence.

You believe he can move out.......that to my spirit is false teaching....which the Lord apposes....he hates it!!

Yes,we can wander off but God will never ever leave us.

Not only that Holy Spirit has taken up residence, but we are a new creation being formed in His image. Whatever we face, He will strengthen us. Give us particular word for our situations.

Tongues is very helpful for it’s our language of power. 😉

 

[DorothyMae]

Weaseling? Haha

I notice you didn’t explain how the verse where Jesus says outright many will fall away from the faith but he who endures to the end will be saved.

I can read it for what it plainly says. EH says it means those who don’t die during the GT won’t die afterwards either which comforts no one.

 

[stonesoffire]

I think it’s easy to understand. OSAS is easy to understand too. Four words sum it up. The truth is complex and not easy to understand.

Then please explain slain from the foundation of the world as you know it.

 

[DorothyMae]

Then please explain slain from the foundation of the world as you know it.

Answer first your explanation as to why the requirement to be enduring to the end doesn’t apply to you first.

As to your question, a hint ...Jesus wasn’t dead before he was born.

 

[jackrosie]

JR, I don’t care what you think of me. But I have a responsibility to
Him and He has taught me to be careful when sharing. You see this in the manner of Jesus speaking to people.

To some He gave no answer. To others He refuses to answer the question as worded because they assumed facts not in evidence. God Himself is careful in sharing truth. The Bible says He hides from certain kinds of people. You see evidence of this now in believers who’ve been christians their whole lives and can only repeat their church doctrine. They know salvation and that’s it.

I agree about sharing....I haven’t been able to share my vision that the Lord gave me.
The first three yrs were very hard as I was a new babe and didn’t understand it.

I was also heart broken after leaving the church.....it took a long time to recover...but God in his grace built me up and made me strong in him......nearly six months now..he has brought me back to my vision,which is about to come to pass......I will be glad when it is all over.....28yrs to keep that to oneself......not long now....Praise God.

 

[EleventhHour]

do you never listen to the Spirit?

it's speaking . . . . . . . . . l i s t e n.

I do indeed....and daily He confirms my salvation is
secure because of whom I have trusted .... Jesus who is faithful and true

 

[jackrosie]

Not only that Holy Spirit has taken up residence, but we are a new creation being formed in His image. Whatever we face, He will strengthen us. Give us particular word for our situations.

Tongues is very helpful for it’s our language of power. 😉

Amen....I speak in tongues....but haven’t felt the Lord ask me too........apparently many yrs ago I was drunk.....the ambulance crew were called...my son told me I was speaking in a foreign language to the crew.....maybe it was tongues.

Because I can’t speak in any foreign language.

 

[stonesoffire]

This is how the cults start. Mormons are convinced God gave Joseph Smith his personal revelation, for example. He, too, didn’t compare it to scripture. Islam started that way as well. These men got personal revelation.

I believe each one of us that believes in the finished work of the Cross of Jesus the Messiah would never stray because we are His work. And we have unity in the foundation. That’s the new birth. Born from above, citizens now of heaven. We say the same thing. Obviously, His work for man can never be fully unified unless placed “in Him”.

That should be the measuring stick.

 

[Duskey]

You cannot expect me to share treasures with a woman who laughs at what I write.

Translation: you have no treasures to share. You’re simply a tare who’s sole purpose is to sow discord among Christian brethren. Even Jackie sees this, and that says a lot.