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PennEd

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1 Corinthians 9:

23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.



Paul said we are in a RACE.
Look at verse 27 from the Greek:

ἀλλὰ ὑπωπιάζω μου τὸ σῶμα καὶ δουλαγωγῶ, μή πως ἄλλοις κηρύξας αὐτὸς ἀδόκιμος γένωμαι.
27 but I am belaboring my body and leading it into slavery, lest somehow, when heralding to others, I myself may become disqualified."

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Paul said we could become DISQUALIFIED if we do not keep ourselves in SUBMISSION to God!

That proves OSAS is Baloney!
This may explain why your theology is so messed up.

Salvation is not a prize to be won, it is a gift given by God, through His Son.

Paul understood better than just about any other that we have a finite amount of time to store up treasures in Heaven while on Earth.

Paul is referring to rewards and stations given at the Judgement Seat of Christ. Where not our sins are judged (they were judged on a cross in Jesus) but what we did in our Christian walk.

It is profoundly sinful, and treading on the Spirit of Grace, to try and win your Salvation.
 

Rosemaryx

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Fastfredy0 said:
I was hoping you take a shot at the question ... Does God ever laugh.

Immutable, all knowing, impassible, transcendent .... just add those to the mix.



Well, I was hoping for a little more explanation.
Job 8:21
21 He will yet fill your mouth with laughter and your lips with shouts of joy.

There are many verses in the bible about laughter , and I do believe laughter is a gift from God...
We are made in His likeness , and laughter is a good medicine for our souls , it eases grief , it lifts our spirits up from a friend who knows we are down...
Yes I believe God laughs , we see it more so in little children...@Fastfredy0
 
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I suppose they can’t help it.

It’s interesting, though, to see how much energy they are using in their efforts to cause division. This thread is just one of their venues.
Agree...but seems purposeful to me.;)
 

fredoheaven

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Job 8:21
21 He will yet fill your mouth with laughter and your lips with shouts of joy.

There are many verses in the bible about laughter , and I do believe laughter is a gift from God...
We are made in His likeness , and laughter is a good medicine for our souls , it eases grief , it lifts our spirits up from a friend who knows we are down...
Yes I believe God laughs , we see it more so in little children...@Fastfredy0
Yes God laugh. Amen! Ho, ho..

Psalm 37:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.

Zec 2:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.
 

mailmandan

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This may explain why your theology is so messed up.

Salvation is not a prize to be won, it is a gift given by God, through His Son.

Paul understood better than just about any other that we have a finite amount of time to store up treasures in Heaven while on Earth.

Paul is referring to rewards and stations given at the Judgement Seat of Christ. Where not our sins are judged (they were judged on a cross in Jesus) but what we did in our Christian walk.

It is profoundly sinful, and treading on the Spirit of Grace, to try and win your Salvation.
Amen! In context, Paul is talking about being disqualified for the prize (NIV). What is the prize? Is it the reward of which he spoke of in verse 1 Corinthians 9:18? Salvation is a gift, not a prize. A prize is something that you work for and earn where a gift is something that you freely accept without merit. Prize (brabeion) - the prize awarded to a victor, the reward (recognition) that follows triumph. That doesn't sound like a free gift (Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8). 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 mentions - If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, (of reward) though he himself will be saved.

1 Corinthians 9:24 - "Do you not know that those who run in a race ALL run, but ONLY ONE receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it." In an Olympic race, all runners run but only one receives the gold medal. So what happens to the runners that receive the silver medal or bronze medal or finish the race with no medal? Are they disqualified from the Olympics or for the prize? According to NOSAS logic, everyone who falls short of winning a gold medal would be disqualified from the Olympics. Silver medal, bronze medal, no medal but finished the race, ALL disqualified from the Olympics.
 

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“For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.

The only sin unforgivable is rejecting the only way to eternal salvation, Christ our Lord. You are not using this verse correctly. Only one unforgiveble sin. Never, ever accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior
 

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@preacher4truth

i am not warning you again to stop with your remarks, your war against me and a few other peopleis out of hand, every time you come I. Here you belittle people With false truths, I proved that you lied about my belief, and you continue to deny that I have even shared what lies you have said,

one More time, ignore me, I am done with this little trade, you will not even admit your own sins, so how dare you judge others, remove the plank.

from now on I will just do what I have done in the past and expose when you falsely accuse others of doing or believing something they do not

i will pray for you.
You need to end your threatening language. I've broken no rules, so your warning is a moot point.

Be done then, but I am not, you need to own up and repent where your behavior doesn't continue on the track it is on as to be able to have true honest dialog in the future minus the insults.

I am going to discuss your teachings you denied so that you can see I didn't lie about you. In fact I never have lied about you, but you have most certainly lied about me and others on numerous occasions. You know it's true.

The actual "war" has always come from you, your friends, others who follow you all, not me, not other Reformed, it's come from you towards them, me, and others like OSAS deniers. You've brought it since I've been here or shortly afterwards. I know of at least one person that admits this to be true about you, DC, others in your group, but does not want to say anything. Another can affirm this to be so without naming the person.

This very thread facilitates this behavior of yours and several others, frankly it is shameful. In your heart you know it's true, surely God has convicted you? Nonetheless anyone who doesn't agree with you (Reformed, OSAS deniers, others) is insulted, lied about, slandered and attacked by you and those you follow, a fact many have been victims of and can attest to.

As to the statement by the moderator you posted? I couldn't agree more, a site calls these things inflammatory by rule, yet what I called both you and DC were both true remarks matching your callow behavior on this site. It may have been breaking the rules yet these remarks were truthful, calling you both out for your well known poor behavior. They aren't untrue remarks. But that isn't the subject, you accused of slander, cannot prove it so you moved the goal posts.

My prayer is you will begin looking like a believer, that Christ will be formed in you, Galatians 4:19, where your behavior, poor behavior is changed. I've told you the truth about your behavior, and you know know it's true. I think somewhere along the line you have gotten away from diligent bible reading, walking close to the Lord, holiness, close communion with the Spirit of God. Time on this site has eaten away at those things, it is seen in your behavior.

EG you've unfortunately lied about me, insulted and have zero proof of slander. I called you on it like a man and friend. Although biblically you should count me as a friend, Proverbs 27:6; Psalm 141:5 your inability to accept correction has caused you to continue to think of me as an enemy.

I'll get to posting what I need to later so I can vindicate my statements as being true showing once again your accusations were false. I'd rather do it non publicly man to man, but that is up to you.
 
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He is not speaking about salvation genius.....!!! And it is obvious you have no clue about Greek and Hebrew......a 5 year old can google, cut and past it!



But it's how I was using it to get her attention is what you fail to see.
 
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Where did you get that Solomon is in hell?

You made that up, because it isn’t in Scripture.


I am not the originator of that thought. But the one I was addressing had no clue about him worshipping idols either.
 
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Yes I do. But what is an unwillful sin? What sins do ppl commit against their will? Just name one.
Hmmm.... I like a challenge.

Best I can come up with and admittedly not sure it qualifies .... I go to shot person "X" and miss. The bullet goes through the drywall and kills person "Y" in the next room.

Hmmm. ... does that qualify?

Oh, maybe a better one ... I think this works ....
I study the Bible and come to conclusions that I honestly feel are true even though they are false. Then I espouse my findings on this message board thus speaking falsely about God. I willfully said something wrong, but did not willfully sin; rather, I thought I was being helpful

Love your brother as yourself. I've never completely understood what this means. Read one explanation that I thought was best definition to date. As I do not completely understand what I am to do in this regard, I am sure I "blow it".

Well, that is my best shots. :sneaky:
 
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Not hardly......it is rather sickening how you just walk all over any given context to peddle error!

Thank You!

There was a purpose for my intent like I have read many times from your own posts. Especially towards Speaking in Tongues!
 
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Solomon ended up in hell you say......My bible says HOLY MEN OF God penned the word of GOD....man...you are really proving that you have no factual understanding of the word of God...



And once again, look at who I was addressing.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You need to end your threatening language. I've broken no rules, so your warning is a moot point.

Be done then, but I am not, you need to own up and repent where your behavior doesn't continue on the track it is on as to be able to have true honest dialog in the future minus the insults.

I am going to discuss your teachings you denied so that you can see I didn't lie about you. In fact I never have lied about you, but you have most certainly lied about me and others on numerous occasions. You know it's true.

The actual "war" has always come from you, your friends, others who follow you all, not me, not other Reformed, it's come from you towards them, me, and others like OSAS deniers. You've brought it since I've been here or shortly afterwards. I know of at least one person that admits this to be true about you, DC, others in your group, but does not want to say anything. Another can affirm this to be so without naming the person.

This very thread facilitates this behavior of yours and several others, frankly it is shameful. In your heart you know it's true, surely God has convicted you? Nonetheless anyone who doesn't agree with you (Reformed, OSAS deniers, others) is insulted, lied about, slandered and attacked by you and those you follow, a fact many have been victims of and can attest to.

As to the statement by the moderator you posted? I couldn't agree more, a site calls these things inflammatory by rule, yet what I called both you and DC were both true remarks matching your callow behavior on this site. It may have been breaking the rules yet these remarks were truthful, calling you both out for your well known poor behavior. They aren't untrue remarks. But that isn't the subject, you accused of slander, cannot prove it so you moved the goal posts.

My prayer is you will begin looking like a believer, that Christ will be formed in you, Galatians 4:19, where your behavior, poor behavior is changed. I've told you the truth about your behavior, and you know know it's true. I think somewhere along the line you have gotten away from diligent bible reading, walking close to the Lord, holiness, close communion with the Spirit of God. Time on this site has eaten away at those things, it is seen in your behavior.

EG you've unfortunately lied about me, insulted and have zero proof of slander. I called you on it like a man and friend. Although biblically you should count me as a friend, Proverbs 27:6; Psalm 141:5 your inability to accept correction has caused you to continue to think of me as an enemy.

I'll get to posting what I need to later so I can vindicate my statements as being true showing once again your accusations were false. I'd rather do it non publicly man to man, but that is up to you.
Yawn

You make it about everyone else

Well you have not even admitted your own sins. How can you judge others?

Once again do you admit what oncefallen accused you of will you confess or continue to attack others ?