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Evmur

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I just posted this in another... Abraham believed was Counted righteousness then did a work to show or prove his faith... Circumcisions.. You can't throw out works.. they prove your faith
God told him to get circumcised and Abe did it
He called upon us to repent and believe and we did it
 

OIC1965

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God told him to get circumcised and Abe did it
He called upon us to repent and believe and we did it
True. But Abraham was justified long before he was circumcised. For us, we are justified by faith and our hearts are circumcised by the Spirit of God indwelling us and uniting us with the work of Christ. We are justified in order to be conformed to the image of Christ
 

Evmur

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True. Abraham was justified long before he was circumcised. For us, we are justified by faith and our hearts are circumcised by the Spirit of God uniting us with the work of Christ.
God foreknew Abe and chose him He foreknew us and chose us
 

OIC1965

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God foreknew Abe and chose him He foreknew us and chose us
Those He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son. And those He predestinated, He also called, and those He called, He also justified; and those whom He justified, He also glorified. Romans 8:30
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I have a prayer request. I fell on ice and hurt my back very bad. Nothing broke, but it is extremely painful. Also 9 days ago, I had my 8th Stroke, but it seems I am okay, but it is seems nothing happen except a left arm went numb, my face and tongue went numb aslo. God Bless you all.
Praying bro
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God told him to get circumcised and Abe did it
He called upon us to repent and believe and we did it
Repent and believe is not a work done to earn salvation

circumcision was

he got cut because he was saved and did have faith, not the other way around

we are saved because God brought us to repentance and through his work in our lives trusted in him, he gets the glory not us

we have to remember to take our works of righteousness out of the equation f salvation, he saved us based on his mercy. By grace through faith
 
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eternally-gratefull

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To question whether the fallen angels loved God before their rebellion is the absolute height of redonkulousness. Hope it’s not as lonely at the top as they say it is ;)
If they truly loved God they never would have left.

you have no grasp on what true biblical love is my friend
 

Evmur

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Repent and believe is not a work done to earn salvation

circumcision was

he got cut because he was saved and did have faith, not the other way around

we are saved because God brought us to repentance and through his work in our lives trusted in him, he gets the glory not us

we have to remember to take our works of righteousness out of the equation f salvation, he saved us based on his mercy. By grace through faith
I would say it is a work but not one which we do but a work which God does in us
 
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If they truly loved God they never would have left.

you have no grasp on what true biblical love is my friend
At least I can say I have a grasp on reality :) Did you never read in Ezekiel 28 about how the king of Tyre - which is obviously Lucifer - is described as a "perfect" and full of "wisdom" and "beauty" and good things? Good gravy, man, his very name means "lightbearer"! And you're going to sit their doubting whether he loved his Maker?

Before sin was found in Lucifer', prefect love for God and all creatures reigned everywhere - we know this because once sin is eradicated, prefect love will once again reign everywhere, will it not?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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At least I can say I have a grasp on reality :) Did you never read in Ezekiel 28 about how the king of Tyre - which is obviously Lucifer - is described as a "perfect" and full of "wisdom" and "beauty" and good things? Good gravy, man, his very name means "lightbearer"! And you're going to sit their doubting whether he loved his Maker?

Before sin was found in Lucifer', prefect love for God and all creatures reigned everywhere - we know this because once sin is eradicated, prefect love will once again reign everywhere, will it not?
Whatever dude,

good luck earning your salvation
 
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Whatever dude,

good luck earning your salvation
Good luck trying to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works."

James is saying those who try to make a false dichotomy between faith and works are lying to themselves and others. There is no dichotomy.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Good luck trying to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works."

James is saying those who try to make a false dichotomy between faith and works are lying to themselves and others. There is no dichotomy.
Dude, dead faith ever saved anyone, in fact there is no such thing as faith without work period,

living faith works,

james is telling people to test their own faith, why you can not fathom that is on you, not those you co it unalloyed Mack and misrepresents
 
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Dude, dead faith ever saved anyone, in fact there is no such thing as faith without work period,

living faith works,

james is telling people to test their own faith, why you can not fathom that is on you, not those you co it unalloyed Mack and misrepresents
You claim the absence of works is not evidence a man is lost, while 1 John 2:3-4 KJV plainly says just that:

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the Truth (Jesus) is not in him."

You OSAS folks need to stop teaching we can obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You claim the absence of works is not evidence a man is lost, while 1 John 2:3-4 KJV plainly says just that:

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the Truth (Jesus) is not in him."

You OSAS folks need to stop teaching we can obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.
So do you believe one can have true living faith and never have works?