Not By Works
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Trying to see how his questions are "simplistic, demeaning, and almost blasphemous to the Greatness of God..."
God always let me ask as many questions as I could come up with and he has never told me that I was demeaning Him.
If they are simplistic...why not answer them?
As far as I can tell y'all have stated obedience to God is what is needed.
Someone mentioned a covenant relationship.
Another listed fruit of walking with the Spirit.
Someone mentioned good works as in visiting orphans and widows.
Another a passage that showed the difference between sheep and goats.
I know of pHart says he isn't legalistic about it..., Which I take to mean that God has unique requirement for the works each person is required to do. He seems to stress obedience to God.
All are good and necessary (put that word in for you Fran) for a mature walk with God.
However we go back to what is salvation and when do we obtain it and how?
I believe we are saved when we are born again by the Holy spirit after confessing with our mouths a saving faith in Jesus from the heart.
Everything else is sanctification that happens until glorification.
God keeps all His Kids in check and helps them to grow and learn.
God always let me ask as many questions as I could come up with and he has never told me that I was demeaning Him.
If they are simplistic...why not answer them?
As far as I can tell y'all have stated obedience to God is what is needed.
Someone mentioned a covenant relationship.
Another listed fruit of walking with the Spirit.
Someone mentioned good works as in visiting orphans and widows.
Another a passage that showed the difference between sheep and goats.
I know of pHart says he isn't legalistic about it..., Which I take to mean that God has unique requirement for the works each person is required to do. He seems to stress obedience to God.
All are good and necessary (put that word in for you Fran) for a mature walk with God.
However we go back to what is salvation and when do we obtain it and how?
I believe we are saved when we are born again by the Holy spirit after confessing with our mouths a saving faith in Jesus from the heart.
Everything else is sanctification that happens until glorification.
God keeps all His Kids in check and helps them to grow and learn.
Dcon!
Where have you been love?
You've ignored me all day.
Ah. Here you are.
Every time you open your mouth you're trampling Jesus underfoot.
I sure hope you're a better soldier than you are a Christian.
Jesus said we're to help our brothers that are falling away.
I'd be willing, but, of course, you probably feel you're not in need of help.
How do you like that punctuation?
Nifty, huh?
Where have you been love?
You've ignored me all day.
Ah. Here you are.
Every time you open your mouth you're trampling Jesus underfoot.
I sure hope you're a better soldier than you are a Christian.
Jesus said we're to help our brothers that are falling away.
I'd be willing, but, of course, you probably feel you're not in need of help.
How do you like that punctuation?
Nifty, huh?
P
Romans 12:3-8 NASB
3For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith. 4For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, 5so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; 7if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; 8or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
3For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith. 4For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, 5so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; 7if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; 8or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
Fran, do not patronize me...I know you cannot stand me, you constantly berate me, undercut me and mouth me even when speaking to others....so......the facts are....You teach a working for salvation that can be lost with no real hope and I believe we are saved eternally by faith and the work of Christ on our behalf....end of story....we are diametrically opposed to each other and will be that way until the Lord comes and we see who is right....I will not bend, you will not bend, we both think the other is wrong based upon our perception of scripture and that will not change....
I have no issue with you as a person and think you are probably a funny nice person....that does not change the fact that I believe your doctrine leads astray and I am sure you think the same of what I stand for........
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Yes, but do you answer Him when he asks you a question? And do you answer it honestly?
Like this one:
James 2:14 NASB
"if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?"
That is, needed to accompany a profession of faith for that faith to be able to save. We're clear on that, right? This isn't about works being needed to earn salvation. We're good on that, right?
Our uniqueness is only in our giftings. What you call 'works'.
Like this one:
James 2:14 NASB
"if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?"
That is, needed to accompany a profession of faith for that faith to be able to save. We're clear on that, right? This isn't about works being needed to earn salvation. We're good on that, right?
Our uniqueness is only in our giftings. What you call 'works'.