Not By Works

[posthuman]

Colossians says "new moons" were nailed to the Cross along with the ceremonial "sabbath" yearly feast days - I do keep the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments b/c it "stands fast forever and ever" which is why we'll be keeping it in New Jerusalem, after all those who fought against the commandments of God are cast into the Lake of Fire.

• Colossians 2 says the same thing about sabbath
• Isaiah 66 says the same thing about new moon

 

[posthuman]

You must've missed the part where I showed "hot" means on fire for Jesus, "cold" means not on fire for Jesus (but hope remains to be so)....and "lukewarm" which refers to the OSAS crowd which has been throughly ensnared by falsely thinking they're hot but are not, and refuses to be shown their wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked condition, that they might repent...

I would thou wert cold ​

(Revelation 3:15) ​

Matthew 24 doesn't say "lukewarm" it says cold

 

[posthuman]

Colossians says "new moons" were nailed to the Cross along with the ceremonial "sabbath" yearly feast days

once again:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath:
which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ. ​

(Colossians 2:16-17 KJV)​

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'holy days' is literally feast days, the associated sabbath-rest of them being implicit. ἑορτῆς Strong's #1859
'the sabbath day' is obviously distinct from the feast days. it is even separated in the text by the mention of the new moon.

your private interpretation is nonsense false teaching that is 100% in direct opposition to the clear word of God.
"the sabbath day KJV" = "the sabbath day"

you're going to either have to drop your KJVism or drop your sabbatarianism. the two are incompatible.

 

[Phoneman-777]

• Colossians 2 says the same thing about sabbath
• Isaiah 66 says the same thing about new moon

Colossians 2 is talking about the yearly sabbath Feast Days, not the weekly Sabbath which "stands fast forever and ever".

Isaiah 66 is talking about coming together each new moon to the Tree of Life to partake of the leaves "for the healing of the nations", not the new moon observance of the Mosaic Law which was nailed to the Cross along with those yearly sabbaths.

 

[posthuman]

Colossians 2 is talking about the yearly sabbath Feast Days, not the weekly Sabbath

you've been shown this several times.

again:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath:
which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ. ​

(Colossians 2:16-17 KJV)​

'holy days' is literally feast days, the associated sabbath-rest of them being implicit. ἑορτῆς Strong's #1859
'the sabbath day' is obviously distinct from the feast days. it is even separated in the text by the mention of the new moon.

your private interpretation is nonsense false teaching that is 100% in direct opposition to the clear word of God.
"the sabbath day KJV" = "the sabbath day"

you're going to either have to drop your KJVism or drop your sabbatarianism. the two are incompatible.

 

[posthuman]

Isaiah 66 is talking about coming together each new moon to the Tree of Life to partake of the leaves "for the healing of the nations", not the new moon observance of the Mosaic Law which was nailed to the Cross along with those yearly sabbaths.

the new moon festival is not commanded in Moses.

if Isaiah 66 is an implication that salvation is negated by failure to keep ceremonial sabbath observance then it equally implies salvation is negated by failure to keep new moon festivals.

why don't you keep new moon festival?

 

[Phoneman-777]

I would thou wert cold ​

(Revelation 3:15) ​

Matthew 24 doesn't say "lukewarm" it says cold

"And because iniquity shall about, the "agape" of many (saints) shall wax cold, but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved."

"but": contrasting conjunction showing a difference between two words, phrases, or clauses.

The saint of verse 13 will be saved IN CONTRAST to the saints of verse 12 will be lost.

I wish you'd realize how what shred of credibility you may have with others is ever shrinking the longer you take to explain how the unavoidably disobedient wicked (Romans 8:7 KJV) can demonstrate "agape" in their hearts when "agape" is only demonstrated by happily keeping God's commandments (1 John 3:7 KJV).

 

[posthuman]

The saint of verse 13 will be saved IN CONTRAST to the saints of verse 12 will be lost.

discussed ad nauseum & thoroughly refuted over and over and over.

And this is the Father's will which hath sent Me, ​

that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, ​

but should raise it up again at the last day. ​

(John 6:39 KJV) ​

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your private interpretations, baseless accusations and animosity towards those with faith do not overturn the clear word of God.

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[Phoneman-777]

once again:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath: ​

which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ. ​

(Colossians 2:16-17 KJV)​

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'holy days' is literally feast days, the associated sabbath-rest of them being implicit. ἑορτῆς Strong's #1859
'the sabbath day' is obviously distinct from the feast days. it is even separated in the text by the mention of the new moon.

your private interpretation is nonsense false teaching that is 100% in direct opposition to the clear word of God.
"the sabbath day KJV" = "the sabbath day"

you're going to either have to drop your KJVism or drop your sabbatarianism. the two are incompatible.

"Any text without the context is a pretext". Prime example of "pretext" you got there.

The context of Paul's words on the list of things in Colossians 2:14-16 KJV he says were nailed to the Cross is ceremonial "shadows" of Christ:

• meat offerings
• drink offerings
• new moon observances marking time
• holy day observances such as Purim, Jubilee
• yearly sabbath days: Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, etc.

Notice how the weekly Sabbath isn't a ceremoniashadow of anything future but a memorial to events of the past?

Also, what was nailed to the Cross what the "law that was against us" -- and what law was "against thee" as described in Deuteronomy 31:24-26 KJV? That's right: the ceremonial Mosaic Law that Moses wrote and put "beside" the Ark, while the Ten Commandments which are not against us were kept inside the Ark separate from the ceremonial law.

Context, Compostman, Context

 

[posthuman]

The context of Paul's words on the list of things in Colossians 2:14-16 KJV he says were nailed to the Cross is ceremonial "shadows" of Christ

if sabbath does not testify of Christ it is not scriptural at all.
all of the scripture testifies of Him. John 5:39

know nothing among us but Christ. if your position is that sabbath is Christless then it is worthless.
since your position is that sabbath has nothing to do with Christ and does not testify of Christ at all, perhaps you should not be bringing the subject up on a Christian discussion forum. it is strictly off-topic.

ritual sabbath observance is 100% ceremonial.
sabbath observance can in no legitimate way be called an "ethical" or "moral" precept.

the sign of the Abrahamic covenant, which we are actually grafted into, is physical circumcision.
circumcision is a ceremonial requirement. it is not an ethical practice but a rite.
in exactly the same way sabbath is the sign of the Mosaic covenant, which we are absolutely not brought into.
sabbath observance is a ceremonial requirement. it is not an ethical practice but a right.

 

[posthuman]

Colossians 2:14-16 KJV

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AGAIN because you are so dull of hearing:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath
(KJV 2:16 KJV)
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KJV says "the sabbath" singular.
"holyday" is literally the feasts.
KJV does not say "the sabbaths of the feasts but not the regular sabbath"
KJV says feasts, the new moon, or "the sabbath"

 

[Phoneman-777]

you've been shown this several times.

again:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath:​

which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ. ​

(Colossians 2:16-17 KJV)​

'holy days' is literally feast days, the associated sabbath-rest of them being implicit. ἑορτῆς Strong's #1859
'the sabbath day' is obviously distinct from the feast days. it is even separated in the text by the mention of the new moon.

your private interpretation is nonsense false teaching that is 100% in direct opposition to the clear word of God.
"the sabbath day KJV" = "the sabbath day"

you're going to either have to drop your KJVism or drop your sabbatarianism. the two are incompatible.

You've been shown several times and with irrefutable Biblical reasoning why Colossians 2:16 KJV is only talking about "ceremonial" things "that were against" the Jews and that were "shadows of things to come". Deuteronomy 31:24-26 KJV says that law that was "against" the Jews was the one MOSES wrote, not the one God wrote with His own finger in stone. Also, the weekly Sabbath wasn't a shadow of anything "to come" in the future, but a memorial to God's creative power way back in the Garden of Eden.

Why do you keep fighting against the truth?

 

[Phoneman-777]

the new moon festival is not commanded in Moses.

It's really embarrassing how you grasp straws. The observance of the feast days were calculated by the new moon - and since the feast days were nailed to the Cross, there was no need to regard the new moon. Got it? No need to regard any new moon "feast day" markers anymore. Stop falsely equating the ceremonial new moon observance with the "new moon" of New Jerusalem that has to do with the Tree of Life, not the ceremonial law that was nailed to the Cross.

if Isaiah 66 is an implication that salvation is negated by failure to keep ceremonial sabbath observance then it equally implies salvation is negated by failure to keep new moon festivals.
why don't you keep new moon festival?

Again, the Mosaic Law was nailed to the Cross which included the "new moons" markers that determined the date of the Feast Days. You're confusing that with the "new moon" of New Jerusalem which has to do with the Tree of Life.

 

[Phoneman-777]

discussed ad nauseum & thoroughly refuted over and over and over.

And this is the Father's will which hath sent Me, ​

that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, ​

but should raise it up again at the last day. ​

(John 6:39 KJV) ​

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your private interpretations, baseless accusations and animosity towards those with faith do not overturn the clear word of God.

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That's it??? That's your rebuttal??? A subjective interpretation of Jesus' prayer referring to them who would "endure to the end" while discounting the saints who through iniquity would not endure to the end?\

Checkmate, pal. Repent now and avoid the rush at doomsday.

 

[Phoneman-777]

if sabbath does not testify of Christ it is not scriptural at all.

It DOES testify of Christ - it's a memorial to when Christ spoke the creation into existence back in Eden (John 1:3 KJV) not a "shadow of things to come" in the future, get it? Good gravy, man, what's so hard about that?

 

[Phoneman-777]

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AGAIN because you are so dull of hearing:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath​

(KJV 2:16 KJV)​

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KJV says "the sabbath" singular.
"holyday" is literally the feasts.
KJV does not say "the sabbaths of the feasts but not the regular sabbath"
KJV says feasts, the new moon, or "the sabbath"

Let's not pretend singular matters here, OK? There were THOUSANDS of weekly Sabbaths that rolled around before the first Mosaic Feast Day sabbath was observed.

See? You can't win, Posthuman. For every weak noodle "point" you make, I come back with iron steel rebuttals.

You can't take Colossians 2 and mix the "ceremonial" shadows that were against people with "memorials of the past" contained in the Ten Commandment law which is "for us" what with blessings and promises contained right there alongside the Sabbath, right or wrong?

 

[gb9]

"And because iniquity shall about, the "agape" of many (saints) shall wax cold, but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved."

"but": contrasting conjunction showing a difference between two words, phrases, or clauses.

The saint of verse 13 will be saved IN CONTRAST to the saints of verse 12 will be lost.

I wish you'd realize how what shred of credibility you may have with others is ever shrinking the longer you take to explain how the unavoidably disobedient wicked (Romans 8:7 KJV) can demonstrate "agape" in their hearts when "agape" is only demonstrated by happily keeping God's commandments (1 John 3:7 KJV).

actually, the way posthuman is dismantling your ellen white theology is building his credibility .

you, on the other hand, are getting proved wrong on a regular basis, yet continue to repeat the same debunked theology.

THAT hurts credability.

 

[posthuman]

Notice how the weekly Sabbath isn't a ceremoniashadow of anything

seeing that you have a Christless view of sabbath, you clearly have a false view of sabbath.

 

[posthuman]

Let's not pretend singular matters here, OK?

oh?

let's pretend KJV doesn't matter, you say?

suddenly jots and tittles don't matter anymore, if they run afoul of your private false doctrines?
scripture is subject to your personal interpretation, rather than your thoughts being subject to scripture?

interesting. i'll make a note of that.

 

[posthuman]

not a "shadow of things to come" in the future

ha!!

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:​

“So I swore in My wrath,​

‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”​

although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”​

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:​

“Today, if you will hear His voice,​

Do not harden your hearts.”​

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.​

(Hebrews 4:1-10)​

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please pay particular attention to vv. 4-5 where God Himself says the sabbath given in Exodus 16 was a shadow of things to come.

all things are for Christ, by Christ, and of Christ.
the fact you say the ceremonial sabbath rite isn't, makes it a defacto idol in your life.
you place it above Him, calling it distinct from Him yet necessary, precluding and presiding over His salvific work.
i suggest repent, but i know you won't listen to me.

your false gospel salvation is by works, not of faith.
((re-orients back to thread topic))