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Oh that we shouldeth bid thee farewell fervently!
And yet... but do we?
Thy words have shot with hidden arrows that would thou intendeth to hit the mark so swiftly...
But what that thy words should be so strong? Nay again and nay again.. that we should be made so fools.
Oh that a fine farewell we should show and such grace... it would be much much grand. Yet haveth we perceived the flaw in thine own view!
For thou doeth declareth the Lord Jesus to be a lesser being! Him that hath declareth Himself equal to the Most High Father!
And yet showeth we mercy now.. and bid thy good day.
May thee come to knoweth the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ that is not concealed from now to eternity. And so do this chorus bid farewell to thee.
And so doth here.. end.. mine own Elizabethean treatise!
(guffaw expected)
And yet... but do we?
Thy words have shot with hidden arrows that would thou intendeth to hit the mark so swiftly...
But what that thy words should be so strong? Nay again and nay again.. that we should be made so fools.
Oh that a fine farewell we should show and such grace... it would be much much grand. Yet haveth we perceived the flaw in thine own view!
For thou doeth declareth the Lord Jesus to be a lesser being! Him that hath declareth Himself equal to the Most High Father!
And yet showeth we mercy now.. and bid thy good day.
May thee come to knoweth the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ that is not concealed from now to eternity. And so do this chorus bid farewell to thee.
And so doth here.. end.. mine own Elizabethean treatise!
(guffaw expected)
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God can't Die
God can't be tempted to sin
God does not need to eat to live
God does not suffer pain. and can not be hurt
Phil 2: 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross
God can't be tempted to sin
God does not need to eat to live
God does not suffer pain. and can not be hurt
Phil 2: 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross
Oh that we shouldeth bid thee farewell fervently!
And yet... but do we?
Thy words have shot with hidden arrows that would thou intendeth to hit the mark so swiftly...
But what that thy words should be so strong? Nay again and nay again.. that we should be made so fools.
Oh that a fine farewell we should show and such grace... it would be much much grand. Yet haveth we perceived the flaw in thine own view!
For thou doeth declareth the Lord Jesus to be a lesser being! Him that hath declareth Himself equal to the Most High Father!
And yet showeth we mercy now.. and bid thy good day.
May thee come to knoweth the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ that is not concealed from now to eternity. And so do this chorus bid farewell to thee.
And so doth here.. end.. mine own Elizabethean treatise!
(guffaw expected)
And yet... but do we?
Thy words have shot with hidden arrows that would thou intendeth to hit the mark so swiftly...
But what that thy words should be so strong? Nay again and nay again.. that we should be made so fools.
Oh that a fine farewell we should show and such grace... it would be much much grand. Yet haveth we perceived the flaw in thine own view!
For thou doeth declareth the Lord Jesus to be a lesser being! Him that hath declareth Himself equal to the Most High Father!
And yet showeth we mercy now.. and bid thy good day.
May thee come to knoweth the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ that is not concealed from now to eternity. And so do this chorus bid farewell to thee.
And so doth here.. end.. mine own Elizabethean treatise!
(guffaw expected)
Well done!!
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I presume you are not talking about the 'human' God ie Jesus who suffered, was tempted and died - how do we understand;
Num 23:19: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
1 Samuel 15:29: And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
Malachi 3:6: For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Job 25:4 How then can man be righteous before God? Or how can he be pure who is born of a woman?
You gotta look at the context of Numbers 23:19..
It isn't about the fact of God not being a man .. but the nature of God that He is perfect.. beyond humans. Beyond man.
It isn't saying that God can't become a man. That's not the subject of the verse. Context context context..
If this isn't enough.. how about the fact that God revealed Himself to people before the NT in the form of someone in the likeness of man?
If He could do it in the OT before the NT.. what is wrong with Him revealing Himself through Jesus?
(Sigh)
It isn't about the fact of God not being a man .. but the nature of God that He is perfect.. beyond humans. Beyond man.
It isn't saying that God can't become a man. That's not the subject of the verse. Context context context..
If this isn't enough.. how about the fact that God revealed Himself to people before the NT in the form of someone in the likeness of man?
If He could do it in the OT before the NT.. what is wrong with Him revealing Himself through Jesus?
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In answer to God not being a man passage:
From Gotquestions:
We must also consider what the Old Testament is really saying about God when it says He is not a human being. The point being made in Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, and Hosea 11:9 is that God does not lie. He is not fickle. His emotions do not change His eternal purposes. This is unlike fallen humanity, who cannot see the big picture, who often breaks promises, and whose feelings often cloud discernment. In other words, the statements that God is not a man are contrasting one aspect of God’s nature with a corresponding part of man’s. Saying, “God is not a man,” has nothing to do with whether or not God can ever exist in the flesh.
From Gotquestions:
We must also consider what the Old Testament is really saying about God when it says He is not a human being. The point being made in Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, and Hosea 11:9 is that God does not lie. He is not fickle. His emotions do not change His eternal purposes. This is unlike fallen humanity, who cannot see the big picture, who often breaks promises, and whose feelings often cloud discernment. In other words, the statements that God is not a man are contrasting one aspect of God’s nature with a corresponding part of man’s. Saying, “God is not a man,” has nothing to do with whether or not God can ever exist in the flesh.
In answer to God being in the likeness of man before the NT: He appeared in temporary physical form in the OT before the NT:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1297.cfm
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1297.cfm
That is true.. but that fact remains Jesus claimed equality with the Father and then did miracles that only God can do. Jesus also called Himself the 'I AM'.. which is saying when God spoke to Moses it was Jesus speaking.
With the Jewish concept of agency.. the agent bringing a message on behalf of another carries the same status. The messager has the same authority and the originator of the message.
When the Pharisees saw Jesus say He is 'I AM'.. they knew exactly what this meant and sort to stone Him for claiming equality with the Father.
Jesus also accepted worship.. not just like a servant to a king.. but from angels.
In Revelation.. this is Jesus' words to the churches.. yet it is also the Father's and the Holy Spirit's words. Equal.
Jesus was the Head of the disciples, but not one of them. If the disciples are figuratively representing the 12 tribes of Israel.. and Jesus is Head over them.. what does that say about Jesus?
I could go on..
God becoming man is clearly in scripture.
If this is not enough ..read Isaiah 55. That's prophecying Jesus a long long long time before He came in the flesh.. from the OT.
Peace
With the Jewish concept of agency.. the agent bringing a message on behalf of another carries the same status. The messager has the same authority and the originator of the message.
When the Pharisees saw Jesus say He is 'I AM'.. they knew exactly what this meant and sort to stone Him for claiming equality with the Father.
Jesus also accepted worship.. not just like a servant to a king.. but from angels.
In Revelation.. this is Jesus' words to the churches.. yet it is also the Father's and the Holy Spirit's words. Equal.
Jesus was the Head of the disciples, but not one of them. If the disciples are figuratively representing the 12 tribes of Israel.. and Jesus is Head over them.. what does that say about Jesus?
I could go on..
God becoming man is clearly in scripture.
If this is not enough ..read Isaiah 55. That's prophecying Jesus a long long long time before He came in the flesh.. from the OT.
Peace
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Yes I was thinking in the general term of miracles.
There are some issues with this though.
Matt 9:1-8 - 8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men. [ implies they understood the power came form the father]
Hebrew 9:22 – without shedding blood there is no forgiveness [Jesus had not been on the cross yet]
John 20:23 - If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven. [disciples could forgive]
Matt 6:14 - 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. [father]
There are some issues with this though.
Matt 9:1-8 - 8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men. [ implies they understood the power came form the father]
Hebrew 9:22 – without shedding blood there is no forgiveness [Jesus had not been on the cross yet]
John 20:23 - If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven. [disciples could forgive]
Matt 6:14 - 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. [father]
The Jewish concept agency concept again comes in here.. Jesus had equal authority and power to the Father. 'The agent is as himself'
But forgiving sin is the primary thing. He forgives those who haven't directly offended Him. For eg.. if you had a quarrel with a friend and I came along and said 'your sins are forgiven' to your friend. What kind of cheek is that?
Only God can do that.. forgive sin in the third person.
But also .. doing miracles by 'the hand of the Father'.. the Father's authority.. the difference between Jesus doing that and His followers is that He claimed to be one with the Father. So when He did the miracles He was doing as God.. equal.
But forgiving sin is the primary thing. He forgives those who haven't directly offended Him. For eg.. if you had a quarrel with a friend and I came along and said 'your sins are forgiven' to your friend. What kind of cheek is that?
Only God can do that.. forgive sin in the third person.
But also .. doing miracles by 'the hand of the Father'.. the Father's authority.. the difference between Jesus doing that and His followers is that He claimed to be one with the Father. So when He did the miracles He was doing as God.. equal.