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dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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FranC said:
I've been bought with a price.

I have a down payment.
I'll get my house when i die.
If I have faith.
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Jesus is the beginner and FINISHER of our faith and he will FINISH what he started.......you answers belie the fact that you do not believe JESUS, nor his promise to FINISH what HE has started!
 
FranC

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dcontroversal said:
Jesus is the beginner and FINISHER of our faith and he will FINISH what he started.......you answers belie the fact that you do not believe JESUS, nor his promise to FINISH what HE has started!
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I guess I don't.
You should know.

(Jesus is the beginner and finisher of my faith. He never lies.
But He'll only work in me if I allow Him to. I DID NOT lose my free will)
 
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Faith is just one simple answer. Believing God and taking him at his word. Faith defined is summed up in HEBREWS; Chapter eleven, but then ,if you don't understand faith, then you don't understand God.
 
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Originally Posted by Katy-follower

Also... the thief on the cross who had faith. No works added.


He did the first works of repentance and coming clean with God, he did not live long enough to do more works but would have if he could have.....AND dont use this for an excuse to remain in iniquity or encourage the unfruitful works of darkness through easy believing
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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FranC said:
I guess I don't.
You should know.

(Jesus is the beginner and finisher of my faith. He never lies.
But He'll only work in me if I allow Him to. I DID NOT lose my free will)
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The bolded is your embellishment and denies the promise of JESUS....there is NO IF and or BUT in the promise that he has made...

HE that began a GOOD WORK IN YOU WILL FINISH it and BRING it to fruition.....this is what you fail to understand.....

HE began it HE will finish it......end of story....
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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willybob said:
Originally Posted by Katy-follower

Also... the thief on the cross who had faith. No works added.


He did the first works of repentance and coming clean with God, he did not live long enough to do more works but would have if he could have.....AND dont use this for an excuse to remain in iniquity or encourage the unfruitful works of darkness through easy believing
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Your obsession with sin is borderline psychotic.....and you continually push this laughable farce (bolded above).......like I have said, You should take some time off from CC, and go spend time actually studying in context, by prayer and being honest with the word.....then get right and proclaim the truth instead of this constant barrage of sinless, self righteous Pharisee type rigmarole.....serious
 
FranC

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eternally-gratefull said:
I am glad you agree, of one does not need faith in all areas to be saved, Lack of faith in a few areas does not disqualify us from being Gods people.

Agreed.




I am not sure if I understood you right on this last part, , So will not assume, Just tell you what I think.

I think via the cross. God through the line, We are all or at least we were) drowning in our sin and debt, And God sent us a life preserver,

But he will not force people to take it, Those who have faith will. Those who do not will not.

The world is throwing you a line to, Its leader is satan Some grab that line, because they want it more than Gods line, and they have more faith in that line.

Sadly, most of the worlds religions, including many sects of Christianity, Have grabbed on this line thinking it is Gods line, and will get a surprise one day when they realize they grabbed the wrong line.

This would require more conversation. I agree with the Whole first part.
Not sure what you mean by "grabbing satan's line" if the person is in Church and not an atheist...


This is where we separate. I do not think God gives people a reason to lose faith, or to lose hope. Only the world can offer you a hope that is not hope that is weak and unable to give you what it promises,, These people keep looking for hope they can not find.. Some find it in religion. Some think they have found it in some form of Christianity, But they never trusted it, These people will not last, they will walk away, Not because they lost hope. but because they never took hold and grabbed hold of the hope God offers.

then I think their are some who want to hold on to the worlds rope and Gods,, They will drown in there sin because they did not take proper Hold of Gods rope. and they slipped and fell and perished.

OK. Aren't these the people in Mathew 13:21 ?? I'd say they are.



To me it is the most important, Getting this part wrong has eternal consequences.

I think you have, I hope you see now why I believe the way I do concerning faith and Hope.

I understand your concern. I'm conerned that OSAS will draw many away from the true gospel.
But I wouldn't be that conerned if I were you.
Think of this,,,I've said it before...

You believe in OSAS. I do not believe you are lost.
But you believe I am because I DON'T believe in it.

So, listen...
what is it that saves a person?

Is it their CORRECT DOCTRINE
OR
Is it their faith in JESUS??


Answer this.
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FranC said:
I guess I don't.
You should know.

(Jesus is the beginner and finisher of my faith. He never lies.
But He'll only work in me if I allow Him to. I DID NOT lose my free will)
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That free will is part of the old nature and is corrupt. Lay it down and serve the Lord not out of obligation but a heart of love.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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willybob

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Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull

they want to judge us of sin





You yourself have numbered yourself among the wicked, you contend you must sin and its an inevitable forgone conclusion, I can only go by what you say of yourself...
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

It is their strawman,

A work is a work is a work, It is what I do to earn a wage, earn a salary, earn a living, Earn a reward.

They reject grace and mercy, because they THINK they have made it on their own merit.
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Absolutely opposite! "good" works are the result of the realness in me of Christ at my helm! Nothing to earn at all! It is love-based service to the One whom owns me! Who owns you?
 
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FranC said:
I guess I don't.
You should know.

(Jesus is the beginner and finisher of my faith. He never lies.
But He'll only work in me if I allow Him to. I DID NOT lose my free will)
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Free will is not a biblical concept, it dates back to Greek philosophy. Please use biblical concepts to defend you stance.
 
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notuptome said:
That free will is part of the old nature and is corrupt. Lay it down and serve the Lord not out of obligation but a heart of love.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Your implying to her to use her own freewill to love God, after telling her to not use her freewill? where is the logic in that? .Do you really even know what you write is contracting....love must be preformed of a voluntary freewill, lest it is not love at all...wake up and smell the coffee, youve been slumbering too long... Every offering presented to God must be of our own voluntary freewill, Lev 1-3, its not possible to love God without such freedom of choice
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God has judged Sin; and has empowered us in Christ! - it has a death sentence, right along with the flesh. No one need judge anyone here.
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Yet they do it daily
 
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FranC said:
I guess I don't.
You should know.

(Jesus is the beginner and finisher of my faith. He never lies.
But He'll only work in me if I allow Him to. I DID NOT lose my free will)
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/QUOTEallen
 
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dcontroversal said:
You must be a comedian.......this is laughable at best and tragic at it's worst.....the only one who lacks understanding pal is obvious.....you would not understand context if you were staring at the word in a dictionary after taking 120 semester hours of college applicable unto the word..... HAH wow.....!
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I shouldn't have been sipping coffee on this one... the "spew-o-meter" was activated and again... I clean the keyboard and screen! But what a great way to begin a gorgeous morning... with "HAHAHAHAHA"! ;)
 
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Exactly what saves a person?
The gospel is eternal life...but do you really understand how one receives this gift?

You always focus on our part only as works how are we saved really?

FranC said:
eternally-gratefull said:
I am glad you agree, of one does not need faith in all areas to be saved, Lack of faith in a few areas does not disqualify us from being Gods people.

Agreed.




I am not sure if I understood you right on this last part, , So will not assume, Just tell you what I think.

I think via the cross. God through the line, We are all or at least we were) drowning in our sin and debt, And God sent us a life preserver,

But he will not force people to take it, Those who have faith will. Those who do not will not.

The world is throwing you a line to, Its leader is satan Some grab that line, because they want it more than Gods line, and they have more faith in that line.

Sadly, most of the worlds religions, including many sects of Christianity, Have grabbed on this line thinking it is Gods line, and will get a surprise one day when they realize they grabbed the wrong line.

This would require more conversation. I agree with the Whole first part.
Not sure what you mean by "grabbing satan's line" if the person is in Church and not an atheist...


This is where we separate. I do not think God gives people a reason to lose faith, or to lose hope. Only the world can offer you a hope that is not hope that is weak and unable to give you what it promises,, These people keep looking for hope they can not find.. Some find it in religion. Some think they have found it in some form of Christianity, But they never trusted it, These people will not last, they will walk away, Not because they lost hope. but because they never took hold and grabbed hold of the hope God offers.

then I think their are some who want to hold on to the worlds rope and Gods,, They will drown in there sin because they did not take proper Hold of Gods rope. and they slipped and fell and perished.

OK. Aren't these the people in Mathew 13:21 ?? I'd say they are.



To me it is the most important, Getting this part wrong has eternal consequences.

I think you have, I hope you see now why I believe the way I do concerning faith and Hope.

I understand your concern. I'm conerned that OSAS will draw many away from the true gospel.
But I wouldn't be that conerned if I were you.
Think of this,,,I've said it before...

You believe in OSAS. I do not believe you are lost.
But you believe I am because I DON'T believe in it.

So, listen...
what is it that saves a person?

Is it their CORRECT DOCTRINE
OR
Is it their faith in JESUS??


Answer this.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
dcontroversal

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willybob said:
Your implying to her to use her own freewill to love God, after telling her to not use her freewill? where is the logic in that? .Do you really even know what you write is contracting....love must be preformed of a voluntary freewill, lest it is not love at all...wake up and smell the coffee, youve been slumbering too long... Every offering presented to God must be of our own voluntary freewill, Lev 1-3, its not possible to love God without such freedom of choice
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You contradict yourself more than a peanut butter and ketchup sandwich......for one who pushes a law abiding, working for sinless perfectionist dogma.....

A new COMMANDMENT that I give unto you...THAT YOU LOVE ONE ANOTHER as I HAVE LOVED YOU....

so SPONGE is it a commandment or a voluntary freewill choice.........??

Call you the King of Sheshach <---CONFUSION
 
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FranC said:
I've been bought with a price.

I have a down payment.
I'll get my house when i die.
If I have faith.
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Jesus said paid in full

he did not say you had a down payment
 
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