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Peddle your sinless rigmarole some place else...A saved child of God that fails and sins is not the same as someone who lives a lifestyle of sin.....it is obvious that you are blind to this...
IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN WE ARE DECIEVED AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US....
THOSE WHO SAY THEY DO NOT SIN...
a. Deceived
b. No truth in them
END of story!
IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN WE ARE DECIEVED AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US....
THOSE WHO SAY THEY DO NOT SIN...
a. Deceived
b. No truth in them
END of story!
I agree....the bible is clear....while Jesus walked the earth with his disciples and Apostles he said there were none good.....end of story...if the Apostles who could raise the dead, heal the sick, cast out demons and personally walked with Jesus were not considered good and or without faults and sin<----this speaks volumes to me about those who claim to be above sinning and or sinless.....
End of story!
End of story!
This is a perfect example of taking things out of context to fit into one's own false doctrines.
Let us look at what the verse actually says:
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
What then, NOBODY is Righteous?
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
What? There is NOBODY that understands? There is NONE that seeketh after God?
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
NOBODY does any Good, Seriously, this is what you believe?
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
These verses are not talking about Christians or the Saved, but talking about the wicked, the unsaved, the Heathens. Likewise the verse that teaches Bad trees can't produce good fruits, no, not one.
You have taken this verse, and applied it to Christians. You do error in this thing. Taking out of context to fit into your own doctrines.
NO Works can help one Get Saved. Works do not Save a person, never will, never have. But once a person is SAVED, Works are a MUST. Once a person is Saved and accepts the Free gift of Salvation, they are to then start OBEYING Jesus and the Word of God, they are then to start being DOERS of the Word of God and not hearer only, they are then, after they GET SAVED, to start DOING what Jesus Commanded them to do, they are to start Loving One Another. Woe to them that don't do what Jesus Commands, they are like those who built their houses on sand. They hear Him, but don't DO what He says.
The entire Word of Jesus is to GET US SAVED. What is Required after that is that we DO what Jesus Commands us to do. Why do you think the Word teaches to no longer do the deeds of the Old Man, now that you are a new man in Christ? Why, because Scriptures are PLAIN what we are to DO once we are SAVED.
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DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave
The Bible is clear, those who live in sin are children of the devil.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Whosoever doeth that which is unrighteous is UNRIGHTEOUS.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Has Jesus DESTROYED the sin in your life, or is it still ALIVE and well inside of your heart? Those who willingly choose to obey satan and commit sin, are of the devil. i don't say that, the Bible PLAINLY and CLEARLY teaches that, over and over again.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Those who are born of God, look to Jesus for His Strength and Power over EVERY temptation that comes at them. Those who are born of God overcome all temptations through the Strength and Power of Jesus Christ which lives in them.
1Jn_3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Those who do not do righteousness, are NOT of God but are indeed the children of the devil, EXACTLY as Scriptures teach.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Let a person testify that they no longer sin, and see how fast this generation wants to stone them. Those who knowingly and willingly choose to OBEY satan, do not know who their Master is. If they did, they would OBEY JESUS which is telling them NOT TO DO IT. But in TRUTH, those who knowingly and willingly choose to commit sin, knowing full well it is sinful, CHOOSE to deny Jesus, who can help them overcome that temptation. What does Scriptures say about those who deny Christ? there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth from all those billions of people who think they are SAVED, and will be left behind, because they freely choose who they willingly obey. Your MASTER is to whom you obey, if you choose to obey satan, i assure you, he is your Master. Let the stone throwing begin.
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DiscipleDave
A person saying they no longer continue to sin, is NOT the same as saying they "HAVE never sinned" please try to understand that and grasp that. Even though i no longer continue to obey satan and commit sin against Jesus Christ, is NOT saying nor even implying that "i HAVE never sinned" nor does it imply that "i HAVE no sin" For some reason you are not grasping this Truth, but choosing rather to ignore it, for the sole purpose to try to discredit me. i tell you the Truth, and because you do not believe it, you say things like this against me. But God is my witness and my Judge that i am telling the Truth, Thank Him, you are not my judge for you have already judged me to be a liar, without any proof or evidence to even suggest that i am a liar. You judge me based solely on your own belief that is is not possible for a person to "Go and Sin No more". Thank God, i am judged by God and not by your beliefs. All things are possible to them that believe, evidently you do not agree with that Scripture, if you did, then you believe it is very possible to "Awake to righteousness and sin not" As Scripture plainly teach us to do. But because you do not believe it is possible for you it probably will never happen. For you must believe God can do this in you, before He will begin to work it in you. Bible calls those who can't cease from sin, Cursed Children. Why are they called Cursed Children, because they lack Faith that it is possible with God.
Very True, Anyone who claims they Have never sinned, nor Have any sin in their whole life, is evil, wicked, and does not know the TRUTH. The problem however is that you have judged me to be such. You do error and falsely judge a Brother in the Lord. The same Lord you and i worship and serve.
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DiscipleDave
If you believe what you say above, you must NOT believe many Holy Inspired Scriptures that are in the Word of God, which plainly teach that all things are possible to that believe. You must have to ignore all the verses which PLAINLY tell us to NOT SIN, You also must believe it is NOT possible to walk as Jesus walked even though Scriptures teaches us to walk as He did. You must also have to believe that Jesus would ask people to do something that YOU say is impossible to do, when He instructed a man and a woman to "Go and sin no more" which YOU say is not possible. According to Scriptures Cursed Children also can't cease from sin, they must also believe the exact same thing as you do. How many hundreds of verses plainly teach us to DO exactly what you say is not possible to do? Shall we continue in sin? Apparently YOU think that answer is "YES" because the "NO" answer is impossible to do, is that not correct?
Know you not what self-righteous even means?
i do all things to please Jesus Christ, and because i do that, YOU say i am self-righteous. Have i not over and over and over again, say and teach it is ONLY through Jesus Christ, with His Power and Strength, that i am able to do that? Yes i have, i have never not once given the credit to ME, nor is it in me, to accomplish that. But because i say i no longer continue to obey satan and commit sins, you say i am self-righteous for merely telling you the TRUTH.
Tell me, What sin do you do that you can't cease from mailmandan? Answer. So then if YOU CAN cease from that particular sin, the question then is WHY aren't you ceasing from it? Is it not written that with every temptation JESUS Christ does not allow it to be so strong that YOU can't handle it, and Jesus Christ also always allows a path out of it. YOU teach that it is not possible to ALWAYS look to Jesus for Help when a person is tempted. There is no sin that you do that you can't cease from, you continue to live in those sins, because YOU want to do them. If you learned to HATE them, you would cease from them. But because i say, that through Jesus Christ's Strength and Power i do all things to please Him, people do not believe that, why? Because they are still living in sin, and can;t see the TRUTH because of it.
Anyone who loves to sin, is devoid of the TRUTH. Anyone who knowingly and willingly commits a sin that they know full well is against Jesus Christ and does it anyways, loves to commit that sin, and have altogether denied the Strength and Power of Jesus Christ to help them overcome that temptation. And because i say i no longer continue to live in sin, you say i am self-righteous. God knows the TRUTH.
definition of self righteousness is when one is confident in their OWN righteousness.
Tell me, if YOU mailmandan say "I am righteous through Jesus Christ" Are you then self-righteous? The answer is NO, right? i continue to say the same thing, yet YOU say that is self righteousness. i am not righteous because of anything that i have done, are doing, or will do in the future. i am righteous ONLY because of Jesus, living in me. This is in no way Self-Righteousness.
i do all things to please Jesus Christ, which i am ONLY able to do through the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ living in me. i deny self continuously to NOT deny Christ's Power, Strength, and Path out of the temptation. And because He does this in me, YOU say that is self-righteousness. God Judge me, if i am lying.
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DiscipleDave
Know you not what self-righteous even means?
i do all things to please Jesus Christ, and because i do that, YOU say i am self-righteous. Have i not over and over and over again, say and teach it is ONLY through Jesus Christ, with His Power and Strength, that i am able to do that? Yes i have, i have never not once given the credit to ME, nor is it in me, to accomplish that. But because i say i no longer continue to obey satan and commit sins, you say i am self-righteous for merely telling you the TRUTH.
Tell me, What sin do you do that you can't cease from mailmandan? Answer. So then if YOU CAN cease from that particular sin, the question then is WHY aren't you ceasing from it? Is it not written that with every temptation JESUS Christ does not allow it to be so strong that YOU can't handle it, and Jesus Christ also always allows a path out of it. YOU teach that it is not possible to ALWAYS look to Jesus for Help when a person is tempted. There is no sin that you do that you can't cease from, you continue to live in those sins, because YOU want to do them. If you learned to HATE them, you would cease from them. But because i say, that through Jesus Christ's Strength and Power i do all things to please Him, people do not believe that, why? Because they are still living in sin, and can;t see the TRUTH because of it.
Anyone who loves to sin, is devoid of the TRUTH. Anyone who knowingly and willingly commits a sin that they know full well is against Jesus Christ and does it anyways, loves to commit that sin, and have altogether denied the Strength and Power of Jesus Christ to help them overcome that temptation. And because i say i no longer continue to live in sin, you say i am self-righteous. God knows the TRUTH.
definition of self righteousness is when one is confident in their OWN righteousness.
Tell me, if YOU mailmandan say "I am righteous through Jesus Christ" Are you then self-righteous? The answer is NO, right? i continue to say the same thing, yet YOU say that is self righteousness. i am not righteous because of anything that i have done, are doing, or will do in the future. i am righteous ONLY because of Jesus, living in me. This is in no way Self-Righteousness.
i do all things to please Jesus Christ, which i am ONLY able to do through the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ living in me. i deny self continuously to NOT deny Christ's Power, Strength, and Path out of the temptation. And because He does this in me, YOU say that is self-righteousness. God Judge me, if i am lying.
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DiscipleDave
Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolutely perfect life (exactly as Jesus lived) 100% of the time are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).
It speaks volumes to me, those who try to defend sinning. Scriptures speaks volumes about those who think they can't cease from sin, even calling them Cursed Children. Scriptures speaks volumes how to get sin out of your life, how to overcome all sins, and even teaches to get rid of the sin that so easily besets you. It speaks volumes to me all those who continue to live in sin, all the while casing stones at those who claim they don't. God shall judge all.
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DiscipleDave
Thanks for bringing the thread back up to the forefront.....people need to see that salvation is based upon grace and faith.....void of works...... 
Once a person is SAVED, They better start obeying Jesus Christ whom they say is their MASTER and LORD, and start DOING what He commands them to do, namely "Love One Another" That is nothing but WORKS.
How many times will i have to say this to your ears and you not hear it?
Getting SAVED requires NOT WORKS, it is a free gift through Grace and Faith ONLY.
After you ARE SAVED (Through Grace and Faith) then you are Required to DO Works. Why do you think Jesus plainly told us to "Love One Another" and made it a COMMANDMENT for us to DO once we ARE SAVED.
You see the FAITH ONLY believers believe that all you need is FAITH and NOTHING else. Scriptures is against the FAITH ONLY believers. Demons believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and they OBEYED HIM. This generation claims that Jesus is their LORD, yet do NOT obey Him. Are demons which obeyed Jesus Christ better than those who disobey Jesus Christ?
Jesus Christ COMMANDS all of YOU, to Love One Another. Woe to them who claim Jesus is their Lord and do NOT Do as He commands, and it will not matter what you claim with your mouth. Your heart is revealed by the treasures you produce. If you obey Jesus and Love One Another, you will have many good works. But if you do not obey Jesus and Love One Another, you will most certainly be selfish and only do for you and yours.
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DiscipleDave
This is why it is written the first shall be last and the last first. Know you not the parable of the penny given to the workers. One of them worked all day long and got a penny. one worked but an hour and got a penny also. One Works their whole life running the race to receive the Prize. while another join the race on his/her death bed and attains the prize. So even though what you said was in mockery, it is still True.
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DiscipleDave
1Co_9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
Php_3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
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DiscipleDave
1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
We are not saved by works,coming from a fleshy perspective,but faith without works is dead,coming from a spiritual perspective by the Spirit.
Paul is telling the Gentiles which were in to their own religions,trying to find favor with God,by a fleshy perspective,that their works would not find them favor with God,but only by confessing Christ can they find favor with God,and then James tells them faith without works is dead,and we are justified by works,and not faith alone,coming from a spiritual perspective by the Holy Spirit.
Why do some people hold unto one or the other,not saved by works,faith without works is dead,and not try to find out what is going on with the seemingly contradiction,which is not a contradiction.
1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
We are not saved by works,coming from a fleshy perspective,but faith without works is dead,coming from a spiritual perspective by the Spirit.
Paul is telling the Gentiles which were in to their own religions,trying to find favor with God,by a fleshy perspective,that their works would not find them favor with God,but only by confessing Christ can they find favor with God,and then James tells them faith without works is dead,and we are justified by works,and not faith alone,coming from a spiritual perspective by the Holy Spirit.
Why do some people hold unto one or the other,not saved by works,faith without works is dead,and not try to find out what is going on with the seemingly contradiction,which is not a contradiction.
Another false gospel....saved by faith but kept by works...a gospel of a different kind with no power to save and double cursed....
PLENTEOUS is the number that go before him boasting of all they have done to get, keep or maintain their salvation....he will say he NEVER knew them...why...because they believed the false gospel in line one of this post!
PLENTEOUS is the number that go before him boasting of all they have done to get, keep or maintain their salvation....he will say he NEVER knew them...why...because they believed the false gospel in line one of this post!